Ukraine Crisis

[napshnap]

I dont get what you are on about.

"stop criticizing if you share his views, cause, you know, it's kinda hypocritical."

what does that mean, who are you talking about?

You and folks here are demonizing the president ("he will do this, he will do that"), like he's a pure evil, overlooking sometimes that some "methods" he and/or his administration choose are not original and been used by the west here and there. He, maybe, had bad teachers.

Is that a reference to the Dambusters? That was my first thought when news of the dam being breached at Nova Kakhovka. We did it first. It was immoral but in the face of someone attempting to subjugate the whole of Europe and Russia was it justified? I honestly believe anything that stopped Hitler was worthwhile.
Breaching the dam at Nova Kakhovka will be etched on Putin's legacy as a totally cynical decision.

Didn't mean exactly this, tbh, but I read about it recently.

I don't know what is acceptable. Was Hiroshima bombing acceptable? Don't wanna even try to "weigh" it somehow. In this I take the side of Rorschach from Watchmen. I'd rather distance myself from this or disappear than try to "weigh" and evaluate human lives.
Call it infantilism if you want it, but that's not how thing should be organised in our human society.

[Archery1969]

*** News Flash ***

So far, 3 villages (Blahodatne, Neskuchne, Makarivka) in the Donetsk region have been liberated from Russian control with Ukranian flags now flying.

Elsewhere Ukraine forces are advancing on Bakhmut which was recently taken by the Wagner Group and handed over to Russian forces.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65873831

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You and folks here are demonizing the president ("he will do this, he will do that"), like he's a pure evil, overlooking sometimes that some "methods" he and/or his administration choose are not original and been used by the west here and there. He, maybe, had bad teachers.

Is that a reference to the Dambusters? That was my first thought when news of the dam being breached at Nova Kakhovka. We did it first. It was immoral but in the face of someone attempting to subjugate the whole of Europe and Russia was it justified? I honestly believe anything that stopped Hitler was worthwhile.
Breaching the dam at Nova Kakhovka will be etched on Putin's legacy as a totally cynical decision.

Didn't mean exactly this, tbh, but I read about it recently.

I don't know what is acceptable. Was Hiroshima bombing acceptable? Don't wanna even try to "weigh" it somehow. In this I take the side of Rorschach from Watchmen. I'd rather distance myself from this or disappear than try to "weigh" and evaluate human lives.
Call it infantilism if you want it, but that's not how thing should be organised in our human society.

Were Hiroshima and Nagasaki immoral. Of course. 100%. Were they the best solution to an opponent that would never surrender and had no ability too respond or alliies willing to support them? It probably was the fastest, most brutal conclusion.
But Japan vs the WW2 allies is no comparison to Ukraine vs Russia in 2023. Putin is the agressor. It's simple. He needs to be stopped, but ny Russians can do it. Who may succeed him? I don't know. Russia is a young country with a long history. Tsarism has never been extinguished, it just morphed into the USSR and is still present. So who will depose a Tsar?

[Archery1969]

Ukraine has now retaken the following areas:

- Novodarivka
- Storozheve
- Blahodatne
- Neskuchne
- Makarivka
- Lobkove
- Levadne

[napshnap]

"Nuclear power companies rely on cheap enriched uranium made in Russia.
...
The United States’ reliance on nuclear power is primed to grow as the country aims to decrease reliance on fossil fuels. But no American-owned company enriches uranium. The United States once dominated the market, until a swirl of historical factors, including an enriched-uranium-buying deal between Russia and the United States designed to promote Russia’s peaceful nuclear program after the Soviet Union’s collapse, enabled Russia to corner half the global market. The United States ceased enriching uranium entirely.

The United States and Europe have largely stopped buying Russian fossil fuels as punishment for the Ukraine invasion. But building a new enriched uranium supply chain will take years — and significantly more government funding than currently allocated."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/clim ... -ohio.html


"US to send radioactive depleted uranium shells to Ukraine" (to shit our fertile ruritania land. Talking about the bad teachers).
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/0 ... p-j14.html

[Derek27]

GPS and mobile networks switched off around St Petersburg to thwart drones. Putin was due to give a speech an hour ago but he hasn't as yet managed to get off the toilet.

[Archery1969]

GPS and mobile networks switched off around St Petersburg to thwart drones. Putin was due to give a speech an hour ago but he hasn't as yet managed to get off the toilet.

[Archery1969]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-65914038

[napshnap]

"NATO launched a new center Friday for protecting undersea pipelines and cables following the still-unsolved apparent attack on the Nord Stream pipelines"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... story.html




upd. ^ it's fun cause Milhouse has european roots and Nelson is like Horatio Nelson from the Royal Navy)).

[Archery1969]

"NATO launched a new center Friday for protecting undersea pipelines and cables following the still-unsolved apparent attack on the Nord Stream pipelines"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... story.html

The US already has intelligence suggesting Ukraine blew the pipelines.

[napshnap]

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The US already has intelligence suggesting Ukraine blew the pipelines.

I remember even you guys here questioned their ability to do so.

[Archery1969]

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The US already has intelligence suggesting Ukraine blew the pipelines.

I remember even you guys here questioned their ability to do so.

The US intelligence document was released by that whistleblower

[napshnap]

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The US already has intelligence suggesting Ukraine blew the pipelines.

I remember even you guys here questioned their ability to do so.

The US intelligence document was released by that whistleblower

So... the new center will protect natos members infrastructure from russians and ukrainians? I'm just trying to understand who's a tail and who's a dog, who wiggles whom - politics wiggles economics or economics wiggles politics.

[Archery1969]

I remember even you guys here questioned their ability to do so.

The US intelligence document was released by that whistleblower

So... the new center will protect natos members infrastructure from russians and ukrainians?

No, we not that bothered if Ukraine blew it up. We all just against Putin.

[napshnap]

The US intelligence document was released by that whistleblower

So... the new center will protect natos members infrastructure from russians and ukrainians?

No, we not that bothered if Ukraine blew it up. We all just against Putin.

Alrighty then.