Ukraine Crisis

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Ben Wally considering quitting parliament by the next election. Looks like Brexit has cost him the job as NATO secretary general, with Macron insisting only an EU nation can fill the role.

Fuck France. They delivered Exocet missiles during the falklands war to Argentina. Utter Scum bags.

True fk them, they also made yanks (usa) possible! (->sarcasm<-)

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"It was necessary either to keep quiet and be a coward or to say it the way it is," he said.

I hope he stays away from open windows!

The Ukraine/Russia (or is that Putin) situation gets more complex as time goes by. Just getting the first inkling that people are beginning to object. But Putin is staying firmly in that background. Wagner and now a senior General have criticised Putin's regime's approach. Are the vultures circling over Putin? Reminds me a bit of the rebellion within the German military against the Nazi's.

Interesting, this general said about counter-battery fire problems and, recently, some national guard official repeted it. And those recent news about cluster bomb artillery projectiles being supplied by some western countries...
Disturbance in the Force I feel, some hidden gears being set in motion...

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I hope he stays away from open windows!

The Ukraine/Russia (or is that Putin) situation gets more complex as time goes by. Just getting the first inkling that people are beginning to object. But Putin is staying firmly in that background. Wagner and now a senior General have criticised Putin's regime's approach. Are the vultures circling over Putin? Reminds me a bit of the rebellion within the German military against the Nazi's.

Interesting, this general said about counter-battery fire problems and, recently, some national guard official repeted it. And those recent news about cluster bomb artillery projectiles being supplied by some western countries...
Disturbance in the Force I feel, some hidden gears being set in motion...

Bottom line for me is that bantering about this misses the point. It has been proved to be a costly, pointless confrontation. Without someone with courage emerging to suggest a way to peace, it will continue. The prime mover here would be Putin, but he won't.
Imagine how wonderful it would be if Putin offers peace. Ukraine accepts that. Western companies head back to Russia.
But no, far better in his addled mind to dig into the Donbas and threaten the use of tactical nuclear weapons to resolve a confict that he initiated.

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The Ukraine/Russia (or is that Putin) situation gets more complex as time goes by. Just getting the first inkling that people are beginning to object. But Putin is staying firmly in that background. Wagner and now a senior General have criticised Putin's regime's approach. Are the vultures circling over Putin? Reminds me a bit of the rebellion within the German military against the Nazi's.

Interesting, this general said about counter-battery fire problems and, recently, some national guard official repeted it. And those recent news about cluster bomb artillery projectiles being supplied by some western countries...
Disturbance in the Force I feel, some hidden gears being set in motion...

Bottom line for me is that bantering about this misses the point. It has been proved to be a costly, pointless confrontation. Without someone with courage emerging to suggest a way to peace, it will continue. The prime mover here would be Putin, but he won't.
Imagine how wonderful it would be if Putin offers peace. Ukraine accepts that. Western companies head back to Russia.
But no, far better in his addled mind to dig into the Donbas and threaten the use of tactical nuclear weapons to resolve a confict that he initiated.

There is more variables in that equation than R, P and U, and I don't belive that coefficients are being chosen in interests of the "working" class. I think I don't care about humanity final geographical form, all I care is that humanity to stop pitting against each other by top class and to start expanding to space and kick some aliens ass.

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Interesting, this general said about counter-battery fire problems and, recently, some national guard official repeted it. And those recent news about cluster bomb artillery projectiles being supplied by some western countries...
Disturbance in the Force I feel, some hidden gears being set in motion...

Bottom line for me is that bantering about this misses the point. It has been proved to be a costly, pointless confrontation. Without someone with courage emerging to suggest a way to peace, it will continue. The prime mover here would be Putin, but he won't.
Imagine how wonderful it would be if Putin offers peace. Ukraine accepts that. Western companies head back to Russia.
But no, far better in his addled mind to dig into the Donbas and threaten the use of tactical nuclear weapons to resolve a confict that he initiated.

There is more variables in that equation than R, P and U, and I don't belive that coefficients are being chosen in interests of the "working" class. I think I don't care about humanity final geographical form, all I care is that humanity to stop pitting against each other by top class and to start expanding to space and kick some aliens ass.

Well, for sure the "working" class have taken the brunt of the conflict. Other classes have felt unthreatened or left the area of conflict becuase they have the means to do so. And I would suggest it's mainly the "working" class that have been shuffled off their mortal coil.
Quite why an ordinary Russian would support Putin now is completely beyond me. But he does control the media and he does imprison and kill people that oppose him. So maybe not so strange that there is little real debate or democracy within Russia.

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Bottom line for me is that bantering about this misses the point. It has been proved to be a costly, pointless confrontation. Without someone with courage emerging to suggest a way to peace, it will continue. The prime mover here would be Putin, but he won't.
Imagine how wonderful it would be if Putin offers peace. Ukraine accepts that. Western companies head back to Russia.
But no, far better in his addled mind to dig into the Donbas and threaten the use of tactical nuclear weapons to resolve a confict that he initiated.

There is more variables in that equation than R, P and U, and I don't belive that coefficients are being chosen in interests of the "working" class. I think I don't care about humanity final geographical form, all I care is that humanity to stop pitting against each other by top class and to start expanding to space and kick some aliens ass.

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Quite why an ordinary Russian would support Putin now is completely beyond me. But he does control the media and he does imprison and kill people that oppose him. So maybe not so strange that there is little real debate or democracy within Russia.

An ordinary russian fears that without a strong leader the country will decay and disappear cause of civil war. Ussr crushing v 2.0.
Don't get preoccupied, the country, maybe, slipping off to "1984", but western countries slipping off to "Brave New World", soft, a little more comfortable version of "1984".

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There is more variables in that equation than R, P and U, and I don't belive that coefficients are being chosen in interests of the "working" class. I think I don't care about humanity final geographical form, all I care is that humanity to stop pitting against each other by top class and to start expanding to space and kick some aliens ass.

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Quite why an ordinary Russian would support Putin now is completely beyond me. But he does control the media and he does imprison and kill people that oppose him. So maybe not so strange that there is little real debate or democracy within Russia.

An ordinary russian fears that without a strong leader the country will decay and disappear cause of civil war.
Don't get preoccupied, the country, maybe, slipping off to "1984", but western countries slipping off to "Brave New World", soft, a little more comfortable version of "1984".

But we can chuck our leaders out. Russians can't. How this will resolve is anybody's guess. But it's a huge distraction of political and economic effort for absolutely zero gain. It's an utterly pointless conflict. I don't really care who started it. I'm looking for that hero that says "This is stupid, how do we stop it?".

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Quite why an ordinary Russian would support Putin now is completely beyond me. But he does control the media and he does imprison and kill people that oppose him. So maybe not so strange that there is little real debate or democracy within Russia.

An ordinary russian fears that without a strong leader the country will decay and disappear cause of civil war.
Don't get preoccupied, the country, maybe, slipping off to "1984", but western countries slipping off to "Brave New World", soft, a little more comfortable version of "1984".

But we can chuck our leaders out. Russians can't. How this will resolve is anybody's guess. But it's a huge distraction of political and economic effort for absolutely zero gain. It's an utterly pointless conflict. I don't really care who started it. I'm looking for that hero that says "This is stupid, how do we stop it?".

The hero should invite Russia, China and other "dr. Evil" countries to join nato, but, obviously, that doesn't fit his business plan.

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An ordinary russian fears that without a strong leader the country will decay and disappear cause of civil war.
Don't get preoccupied, the country, maybe, slipping off to "1984", but western countries slipping off to "Brave New World", soft, a little more comfortable version of "1984".

But we can chuck our leaders out. Russians can't. How this will resolve is anybody's guess. But it's a huge distraction of political and economic effort for absolutely zero gain. It's an utterly pointless conflict. I don't really care who started it. I'm looking for that hero that says "This is stupid, how do we stop it?".

The hero should invite Russia, China and other "dr. Evil" countries to join nato, but, obviously, that doesn't fit his business plan.

Why do you always talk in riddles?
Who is the hero? Who is Dr Evil? What is the business plan?
Is this why Russia is so rubbish? They never say what they mean, and never mean what they say?

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But we can chuck our leaders out. Russians can't. How this will resolve is anybody's guess. But it's a huge distraction of political and economic effort for absolutely zero gain. It's an utterly pointless conflict. I don't really care who started it. I'm looking for that hero that says "This is stupid, how do we stop it?".

The hero should invite Russia, China and other "dr. Evil" countries to join nato, but, obviously, that doesn't fit his business plan.

Why do you always talk in riddles?
Who is the hero? Who is Dr Evil? What is the business plan?
Is this why Russia is so rubbish? They never say what they mean, and never mean what they say?

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upd. nah, screw that.

[Archery1969]

Fuck Russia, I served, at no point was I told to rape or kill children. That’s a choice. Russian soldiers had a choice. Bollocks they might be killed if didn’t. In March 2022 many laid down there arms and fled. Therefore those that choose to wear the uniform and continue to kill are utter scum. My only wish is that the RAF, Marines, Para’s and Gurkhas should engage. I have spoken to a few of them and they want to go and help Ukraine asap.

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Fuck Russia, I served, at no point was I told to rape or kill children. That’s a choice. Russian soldiers had a choice. Bollocks they might be killed if didn’t. In March 2022 many laid down there arms and fled. Therefore those that choose to wear the uniform and continue to kill are utter scum. My only wish is that the RAF, Marines, Para’s and Gurkhas should engage. I have spoken to a few of them and they want to go and help Ukraine asap.

So you served, how then it doesn't make you an "utter scum"? You were a soldier, a tool. Soldier should follow orders. This is how an army works as a system, you know it.
But... I don't believe that they being ordered to do such unethical to the limit things. To launch a missile somewhere - maybe, but an "order to rape" - no, sir, I don't believe it. Even a tool has it's limits. Saying an opposite is a racism, don't be a racist.

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So you served, how then it doesn't make you an "utter scum"? You were a soldier, a tool. Soldier should follow orders. This is how an army works as a system, you know it.

not if the order is for an illegal action.

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So you served, how then it doesn't make you an "utter scum"? You were a soldier, a tool. Soldier should follow orders. This is how an army works as a system, you know it.

not if the order is for an illegal action.

Was Hiroshima bombing an "illegal action"? See, we are steping on a very complicated ground here.
Anyway, it's not the point, the point is Archery's trying to make it look like this kind of unethical to the limit orders are institutionalised, like it's a common thing in the army which is a total rasist bs.

[Archery1969]

Fuck Russia, I served, at no point was I told to rape or kill children. That’s a choice. Russian soldiers had a choice. Bollocks they might be killed if didn’t. In March 2022 many laid down there arms and fled. Therefore those that choose to wear the uniform and continue to kill are utter scum. My only wish is that the RAF, Marines, Para’s and Gurkhas should engage. I have spoken to a few of them and they want to go and help Ukraine asap.

So you served, how then it doesn't make you an "utter scum"? You were a soldier, a tool. Soldier should follow orders. This is how an army works as a system, you know it.
But... I don't believe that they being ordered to do such unethical to the limit things. To launch a missile somewhere - maybe, but an "order to rape" - no, sir, I don't believe it. Even a tool has it's limits. Saying an opposite is a racism, don't be a racist.

Your fellow country men rape and kill children and elderly and you call me a racist ?

What planet are you on ?

Putin is scum, anyone supporting him is scum, if that’s you then you are scum.

My option would be to blanket bomb Russia, including YOU. The sooner, the better, you wanker.