And his reference to 'bleach' was misinterpreted and taken out of context at the time but never mind, it was only the truth so that doesn't count. Likewise to accuse you or I of lying would need to show that we knew we were saying an untruth but when it comes to Boris that what he said was untrue is sufficient to make him a liar, heaven forbid that the accusers should be required to establish that he knowingly told an untruth. There is no reasonable doubt when it comes to politicians, if the media says they are guilty then they are guilty especially if they are not on the LL side. BTW in case you didn't notice Covid has 'just disappeared', just like the flu! How strange.Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:49 pmNormally, proving guilt involves a deep investigation of the facts and evidence. But when Trumps says, there's no pandemic, Covid will just disappear like the flu, the Florida sunshine will kill it, you can even kill it with bleach ... this is a pandemic, I knew it was a pandemic before they even called it a pandemic; or when the buffoon said, no parties took place and all rules were followed at the non-existent parties that didn't take place ... I wasn't told [what any 12-year-old would have known] that we were breaking the rules, I was told that [the full-scale piss-up] was a working event; the facts and evidence are plain for everybody to see, way beyond reasonable doubt.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:12 pmSince when did "reasonable doubt" come into it when accusing a politician?Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:17 pmHow the hell do you prove beyond reasonable doubt that a deranged narcissistic lunatic knew he was lying? Narcissists think what they say is the definition of the truth!!
If only they had a "reasonably expected to know" test you'd be able to strap him to the chair now.
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How long have you been studying psychiatry? Even psychiatrists would argue over how serious the raving lunatic was. If he said it on its own I would probably have thought he was just being stupid, but in the context of sunshine killing the virus, 10,000 dead people voting, voting machines biased, winning the election, etc. he's clearly a complete headcase and it's hard to tell what he believes.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:47 pmAnd his reference to 'bleach' was misinterpreted and taken out of context at the time but never mind, it was only the truth so that doesn't count. Likewise to accuse you or I of lying would need to show that we knew we were saying an untruth but when it comes to Boris that what he said was untrue is sufficient to make him a liar, heaven forbid that the accusers should be required to establish that he knowingly told an untruth. There is no reasonable doubt when it comes to politicians, if the media says they are guilty then they are guilty especially if they are not on the LL side. BTW in case you didn't notice Covid has 'just disappeared', just like the flu! How strange.Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:49 pmNormally, proving guilt involves a deep investigation of the facts and evidence. But when Trumps says, there's no pandemic, Covid will just disappear like the flu, the Florida sunshine will kill it, you can even kill it with bleach ... this is a pandemic, I knew it was a pandemic before they even called it a pandemic; or when the buffoon said, no parties took place and all rules were followed at the non-existent parties that didn't take place ... I wasn't told [what any 12-year-old would have known] that we were breaking the rules, I was told that [the full-scale piss-up] was a working event; the facts and evidence are plain for everybody to see, way beyond reasonable doubt.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:12 pm
Since when did "reasonable doubt" come into it when accusing a politician?
We've been through the lying debate before and I'm not going over it again. I didn't call the buffoon a liar because he said something that's not true. He knew it wasn't true and it's blindingly obvious to a ten-year-old that he knew it wasn't true. The committee found him to be lying, so it's official.
He actually said it's only right that he says goodbye to people who are leaving. Therefore, he effectively admitted that it's right to break the rules if someone's leaving, which he admitted doing, yet he denied breaking the rules!
May I remind you of this post, which I noticed you didn't reply to and disappeared for a couple of weeks.
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Oh dear, sounds like you are suffering another bout of tantrumitis. I should go see one of those psychiatrists you are on about for help.Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:19 pmHow long have you been studying psychiatry? Even psychiatrists would argue over how serious the raving lunatic was. If he said it on its own I would probably have thought he was just being stupid, but in the context of sunshine killing the virus, 10,000 dead people voting, voting machines biased, winning the election, etc. he's clearly a complete headcase and it's hard to tell what he believes.
We've been through the lying debate before and I'm not going over it again. I didn't call the buffoon a liar because he said something that's not true. He knew it wasn't true and it's blindingly obvious to a ten-year-old that he knew it wasn't true. The committee found him to be lying, so it's official.
He actually said it's only right that he says goodbye to people who are leaving. Therefore, he effectively admitted that it's right to break the rules if someone's leaving, which he admitted doing, yet he denied breaking the rules!
May I remind you of this post, which I noticed you didn't reply to and disappeared for a couple of weeks.
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You can't even realise that I didn't make any further contribution at all to that thread because it was going nowhere for the two of us. I didn't disappear for 2 weeks, I unsubscribed from the topic disappearing for good. I never saw the post you are referring to nor any others that followed.
You are like a dog at a bone with your beliefs which in some ways is commendable but in others shows a lack of understanding of another person's view (bigot. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Source Merriam-Webster).
I think it's best that I try to refrain from commenting on your biased opinions going forward and accept that your 'rules of evidence' are different to mine especially when it favours your bias.
firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:19 amOh dear, sounds like you are suffering another bout of tantrumitis. I should go see one of those psychiatrists you are on about for help.Derek27 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:19 pmHow long have you been studying psychiatry? Even psychiatrists would argue over how serious the raving lunatic was. If he said it on its own I would probably have thought he was just being stupid, but in the context of sunshine killing the virus, 10,000 dead people voting, voting machines biased, winning the election, etc. he's clearly a complete headcase and it's hard to tell what he believes.
We've been through the lying debate before and I'm not going over it again. I didn't call the buffoon a liar because he said something that's not true. He knew it wasn't true and it's blindingly obvious to a ten-year-old that he knew it wasn't true. The committee found him to be lying, so it's official.
He actually said it's only right that he says goodbye to people who are leaving. Therefore, he effectively admitted that it's right to break the rules if someone's leaving, which he admitted doing, yet he denied breaking the rules!
May I remind you of this post, which I noticed you didn't reply to and disappeared for a couple of weeks.
viewtopic.php?p=301533#p301533
You can't even realise that I didn't make any further contribution at all to that thread because it was going nowhere for the two of us. I didn't disappear for 2 weeks, I unsubscribed from the topic disappearing for good. I never saw the post you are referring to nor any others that followed.
You are like a dog at a bone with your beliefs which in some ways is commendable but in others shows a lack of understanding of another person's view (bigot. : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. Source Merriam-Webster).
I think it's best that I try to refrain from commenting on your biased opinions going forward and accept that your 'rules of evidence' are different to mine especially when it favours your bias.
So anyone who is 100% certain that the buffoon's a liar is a bigot? That's probably half the nation. Bigotry is feeling that others are not entitled to an opinion, not merely disagreeing with it. And just like the post I quoted I actually gave you a factual account of how we know he's a lying bum, which is more than you can ever do.You need to drop the idea that anyone who dislikes Johnson, Trump, etc. must be bias. The clue lies in actually giving reasons for why you dislike them, if it's not obvious.
You have got some cheek calling me biased when it's actually you that's biased. The simple test is, I give reasons why the buffoon's a lying git and the evidence is overwhelming whereas all you can to is shout biased LL but have no defence to what I've said.
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I think Trump's probably worth laying at 3.5. The betting has it as a two-horse race, but I can't see orange face becoming president again in the current climate and I don't think Biden's a given either. He might not even live until the next election. A long time to go and plenty of stairs to go up and down.
Definitely and I’m still keen on DeSantis, in the NYT poll 54% said they would vote for Trump but half were still looking elsewhere so his base is only really between 25-30% of the GOPDerek27 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:24 pm
I think Trump's probably worth laying at 3.5. The betting has it as a two-horse race, but I can't see orange face becoming president again in the current climate and I don't think Biden's a given either. He might not even live until the next election. A long time to go and plenty of stairs to go up and down.
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There you go again, trying to win an argument by claiming I have said things I haven't but never mind I'm used to that where you are concerned. I didn't say "everybody" or "anybody" I said you, you and you. It's not just the one comment it's the avalanche in your case that collectively bring you into the definition of bigot I gave. For example, the Oxford Dictionary gives a definition of evidence as "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid". Now it is the word 'facts' that is most relevant I just see unsubstantiated claims of what may have been the case or may have been said. "May's" are not factual. (BTW appearing in the media is not valid substantiation by itself.)Derek27 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:13 am[
You need to drop the idea that anyone who dislikes Johnson, Trump, etc. must be bias. The clue lies in actually giving reasons for why you dislike them, if it's not obvious.
You have got some cheek calling me biased when it's actually you that's biased. The simple test is, I give reasons why the buffoon's a lying git and the evidence is overwhelming whereas all you can to is shout biased LL but have no defence to what I've said.
And please don't go on about the Committee again, a committee where the person leading it declared in advance that she thought he was guilty! Tell me if you would be happy if you were to appear in court for trial and before the trial starts the judge says "we all know Dereck is guilty but procedure demands we give him a trial".
I could swear I gave you a Merriam-Webster definition of bigot (just checked, yes I did) but I forgot, you are always right so I'm sure your definition is much more accurate than their's. Why don't you write to them and tell them they are wrong.
Oh and finally just about everything you say on these political threads is completely biased in my opinion which is a shame really because most of your other posts are informative or amusing.
An American guy on the street said the audio recording of Trump with classified documents is an open and shut case, but he's not sure what his role in the Capitol riots is. 
Reporter should have asked him if he knows where Europe or even Canada is.
Reporter should have asked him if he knows where Europe or even Canada is.