Correctly identifying sets in tennis

[maricelo]

Hey there

I'm new to Bet Angel automation. Working on creating my own automation based on my selections. Although can't really understand on how can I:

1) Identify the end of the set? As I need to green out at the end of the set. Would Tennix Fixed Score condition with the values "Any score" in the "Sets" field do? Or Do I have to use Tennis Relative Score condition and add 2 conditions where selection is 1 set ahead/behind in sets?
2) I need to cancel the rule when it is 4-4 in the first set. That would be Fixed Score condition with 4-4 in games and 0-0 in sets?

[Dallas]

1) A tennis fixed score with points 0-0, games 0-0 and sets ANY will do that
2) Correct regarding the fixed score condition,
But when you say cancel a rule do you mean stop it triggering if 4-4 and then allow it to start again at 5-4 or 4-5)
Or stop it triggering the rest of the set if the scores goes to 4-4 each, and if so what about if the game score goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?

[maricelo]

1) A tennis fixed score with points 0-0, games 0-0 and sets ANY will do that
2) Correct regarding the fixed score condition,
But when you say cancel a rule do you mean stop it triggering if 4-4 and then allow it to start again at 5-4 or 4-5)
Or stop it triggering the rest of the set if the scores goes to 4-4 each, and if so what about if the game score goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?

2) If the score goes to 4-4, then automation can't be triggered. 4-4, 5-4, 4-5, 5-5, 6-5, 5-6, 6-6 = all of these are past the 4-4 mark so trigger doesn't react to these scores anymore. Basically the last point where it can react is 4-3, 3-4.

[maricelo]

Forgot to ask one more thing. I want to place a back bet in play for my selections using fixed odds. So for example if player is 1.5 before the match, I want to place a back bet on him in-play when he is 1.7. Although I didn't find where can I do that.

And one more thing - can I apply several automation rules on one market? Because in the Guardian I see only one column with automation rules.

[Dallas]

1) A tennis fixed score with points 0-0, games 0-0 and sets ANY will do that
2) Correct regarding the fixed score condition,
But when you say cancel a rule do you mean stop it triggering if 4-4 and then allow it to start again at 5-4 or 4-5)
Or stop it triggering the rest of the set if the scores goes to 4-4 each, and if so what about if the game score goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?

2) If the score goes to 4-4, then automation can't be triggered. 4-4, 5-4, 4-5, 5-5, 6-5, 5-6, 6-6 = all of these are past the 4-4 mark so trigger doesn't react to these scores anymore. Basically the last point where it can react is 4-3, 3-4.

But what about if it doesn't go 4-4 like my example ie, it goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?
Does it still need to trigger?
Does it only need to be stopped if the actual 4-4 occurs?

[Dallas]

Forgot to ask one more thing. I want to place a back bet in play for my selections using fixed odds. So for example if player is 1.5 before the match, I want to place a back bet on him in-play when he is 1.7. Although I didn't find where can I do that.

And one more thing - can I apply several automation rules on one market? Because in the Guardian I see only one column with automation rules.

The 'Place at' tab allows a bet to be placed at a price relative to what it is ie, 20 ticks above current, or 20% above current price etc

If you want to use a pre-off price, ie, the final back price before the match went in-play, you'd add a 'Set/Modify Stored Value' rule, always armed with unlimited triggers with a 'In-Play condition' to test the market is NOT in-play
Then on the Stored value you'd store a value of the selections back price (with any name you want) and below that in the adjustment area add your adjustment ie, plus 20 ticks

Then on your in-play rule for the 'place at' option you'd use 'Stored Value' and enter the name of the stored value you created in the rule above

[maricelo]

1) A tennis fixed score with points 0-0, games 0-0 and sets ANY will do that
2) Correct regarding the fixed score condition,
But when you say cancel a rule do you mean stop it triggering if 4-4 and then allow it to start again at 5-4 or 4-5)
Or stop it triggering the rest of the set if the scores goes to 4-4 each, and if so what about if the game score goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?

2) If the score goes to 4-4, then automation can't be triggered. 4-4, 5-4, 4-5, 5-5, 6-5, 5-6, 6-6 = all of these are past the 4-4 mark so trigger doesn't react to these scores anymore. Basically the last point where it can react is 4-3, 3-4.

But what about if it doesn't go 4-4 like my example ie, it goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?
Does it still need to trigger?
Does it only need to be stopped if the actual 4-4 occurs?

I'll try to clarify a few things so that it is more clear for you.

1) Some matches will have several automation rules active and waiting for appropriate conditions
2) Any score that is before 4-4 (3-4, 4-3, 2-4, 4-2, 3-2, etc.) should not affect/cancel the automation
3) If there are no matched bets (within this particular automation) and the score is 4-4 or above (4-5,5-4,5-5, etc. up to the end of the set) then this particular automation should stop and it shouldn't trigger.

I'm not sure if several automation rules on one match somehow affect each other hence mentioning this fact.

[maricelo]

Forgot to ask one more thing. I want to place a back bet in play for my selections using fixed odds. So for example if player is 1.5 before the match, I want to place a back bet on him in-play when he is 1.7. Although I didn't find where can I do that.

And one more thing - can I apply several automation rules on one market? Because in the Guardian I see only one column with automation rules.

The 'Place at' tab allows a bet to be placed at a price relative to what it is ie, 20 ticks above current, or 20% above current price etc

If you want to use a pre-off price, ie, the final back price before the match went in-play, you'd add a 'Set/Modify Stored Value' rule, always armed with unlimited triggers with a 'In-Play condition' to test the market is NOT in-play
Then on the Stored value you'd store a value of the selections back price (with any name you want) and below that in the adjustment area add your adjustment ie, plus 20 ticks

Then on your in-play rule for the 'place at' option you'd use 'Stored Value' and enter the name of the stored value you created in the rule above

Ok, this would be clear although that was just an example. I have a model of odds for each match, therefore, it might be 10 ticks on one match and 34 on other. The best way (if possible) is to set a fixed price that should be placed as a back/lay bet for each nominated selection.

[Dallas]

2) If the score goes to 4-4, then automation can't be triggered. 4-4, 5-4, 4-5, 5-5, 6-5, 5-6, 6-6 = all of these are past the 4-4 mark so trigger doesn't react to these scores anymore. Basically the last point where it can react is 4-3, 3-4.

But what about if it doesn't go 4-4 like my example ie, it goes 3-3, 4-3, 5-3, 5-4 is it to continue being able to trigger as the score 4-4 wasn't actually reached?
Does it still need to trigger?
Does it only need to be stopped if the actual 4-4 occurs?

I'll try to clarify a few things so that it is more clear for you.

1) Some matches will have several automation rules active and waiting for appropriate conditions
2) Any score that is before 4-4 (3-4, 4-3, 2-4, 4-2, 3-2, etc.) should not affect/cancel the automation
3) If there are no matched bets (within this particular automation) and the score is 4-4 or above (4-5,5-4,5-5, etc. up to the end of the set) then this particular automation should stop and it shouldn't trigger.

I'm not sure if several automation rules on one match somehow affect each other hence mentioning this fact.

OK, so it's actually when the trailing/second player reaches 4 games you want to stop it not specifically at 4-4

To do this all you need to do to stop a rule triggering is add a 'Set/Modify Signal' rule with some tennis fixed score conditions nested in a group which requires 1 or more of the conditions to be true
You'd then just add the three possible scores
Sets 0-0, games 4-4, points 0-0
Sets 0-0, games 5-4, points 0-0
Sets 0-0, games 4-5, points 0-0

and on the signal tab set a signal on the market

So if any of them scores occur the signal rule will trigger and set a signal

Then on the rule/s you want to stop add a signal set condition to test if the signal on the market named (whatever you called it) is NOT set with a value

The next part won't be needed in this particular case as you said you only wanted to do this in the first set, but if you wanted to allow the rules to trigger in the early games of the next set and be stopped again at those score line all you'd do is add another 'Set/Modify Signal' rule, this time on the signal tab 'clear all signals' or 'clear a named signal'
and add a fixed odds condition
Sets ANY, Games 0-0, Points 0-0

so that it triggers at the start of each set

[Dallas]

Forgot to ask one more thing. I want to place a back bet in play for my selections using fixed odds. So for example if player is 1.5 before the match, I want to place a back bet on him in-play when he is 1.7. Although I didn't find where can I do that.

And one more thing - can I apply several automation rules on one market? Because in the Guardian I see only one column with automation rules.

The 'Place at' tab allows a bet to be placed at a price relative to what it is ie, 20 ticks above current, or 20% above current price etc

If you want to use a pre-off price, ie, the final back price before the match went in-play, you'd add a 'Set/Modify Stored Value' rule, always armed with unlimited triggers with a 'In-Play condition' to test the market is NOT in-play
Then on the Stored value you'd store a value of the selections back price (with any name you want) and below that in the adjustment area add your adjustment ie, plus 20 ticks

Then on your in-play rule for the 'place at' option you'd use 'Stored Value' and enter the name of the stored value you created in the rule above

Ok, this would be clear although that was just an example. I have a model of odds for each match, therefore, it might be 10 ticks on one match and 34 on other. The best way (if possible) is to set a fixed price that should be placed as a back/lay bet for each nominated selection.

If the price is going to be variable on each market, providing you have your selections and prices in a .csv file you can import them and store as a stored value

The following blog explains this a bit further and links to an example here on the forum
https://www.betfairtradingblog.com/impo ... bet-angel/

[maricelo]

The 'Place at' tab allows a bet to be placed at a price relative to what it is ie, 20 ticks above current, or 20% above current price etc

If you want to use a pre-off price, ie, the final back price before the match went in-play, you'd add a 'Set/Modify Stored Value' rule, always armed with unlimited triggers with a 'In-Play condition' to test the market is NOT in-play
Then on the Stored value you'd store a value of the selections back price (with any name you want) and below that in the adjustment area add your adjustment ie, plus 20 ticks

Then on your in-play rule for the 'place at' option you'd use 'Stored Value' and enter the name of the stored value you created in the rule above

Ok, this would be clear although that was just an example. I have a model of odds for each match, therefore, it might be 10 ticks on one match and 34 on other. The best way (if possible) is to set a fixed price that should be placed as a back/lay bet for each nominated selection.

If the price is going to be variable on each market, providing you have your selections and prices in a .csv file you can import them and store as a stored value

The following blog explains this a bit further and links to an example here on the forum
https://www.betfairtradingblog.com/impo ... bet-angel/

Is it possible to do somehow with custom columns? Where I just add a custom column and enter the desired odds for my selection?

[Dallas]

Ok, this would be clear although that was just an example. I have a model of odds for each match, therefore, it might be 10 ticks on one match and 34 on other. The best way (if possible) is to set a fixed price that should be placed as a back/lay bet for each nominated selection.

If the price is going to be variable on each market, providing you have your selections and prices in a .csv file you can import them and store as a stored value

The following blog explains this a bit further and links to an example here on the forum
https://www.betfairtradingblog.com/impo ... bet-angel/

Is it possible to do somehow with custom columns? Where I just add a custom column and enter the desired odds for my selection?

Yes, you can create a custom column to place bets at fixed prices, but if you are going to need to change that each match it would be easier just to place the bets via the 'Manual Bet's screen and enter the odds into the manual bet box

[maricelo]

Ok, this would be clear although that was just an example. I have a model of odds for each match, therefore, it might be 10 ticks on one match and 34 on other. The best way (if possible) is to set a fixed price that should be placed as a back/lay bet for each nominated selection.

If the price is going to be variable on each market, providing you have your selections and prices in a .csv file you can import them and store as a stored value

The following blog explains this a bit further and links to an example here on the forum
https://www.betfairtradingblog.com/impo ... bet-angel/

Is it possible to do somehow with custom columns? Where I just add a custom column and enter the desired odds for my selection?

Could you please advise on the custom column solution? Seems that it would be the best for me at this moment.

[Dallas]

If the price is going to be variable on each market, providing you have your selections and prices in a .csv file you can import them and store as a stored value

The following blog explains this a bit further and links to an example here on the forum
https://www.betfairtradingblog.com/impo ... bet-angel/

Is it possible to do somehow with custom columns? Where I just add a custom column and enter the desired odds for my selection?

Could you please advise on the custom column solution? Seems that it would be the best for me at this moment.

This page of the user guide explains how to make a custom column, for what you've asked for you just need to set it to the fixed price you want /(and choose if its a back or lay bet that is to be placed
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/custom_columns.html

[maricelo]

Is it possible to do somehow with custom columns? Where I just add a custom column and enter the desired odds for my selection?

Could you please advise on the custom column solution? Seems that it would be the best for me at this moment.

This page of the user guide explains how to make a custom column, for what you've asked for you just need to set it to the fixed price you want /(and choose if its a back or lay bet that is to be placed
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/custom_columns.html

Ok, this seem to work with one-click interface. But my aim is to have it in the guarding column list as in the image. Tried to play with it but not sure if it is possible to do it using guardian custom column.