Clicking the green button will place a bet ????

[nachtwacht]

Hello,

I am new to all this so forgive me in advance if I am saying something completely stupid

I installed Bet Angel Basic today and started playing around a little.

Not knowing what the buttons mean, I pressed on of the green squares and "voila" I seemed to have a position !

This even though "confirm bets" is checked.

If the green button is supposed to do this, it should at a minimum ask for a confirmation I would assume...

As said, maybe I am seeing this completely wrong then sorry.

greetings

[lilgreenback]

Hiya,

Enticing isn't it Pandora's Box; I know I was the same, just like the the furniture and the computer the manual is there for when somthing doesn't work. However in this instance download the PDF Manual and read through it and just watch the screen do it's thing. (for a while anyway).

If you had not clicked anything else then pressing the "Green" button would have done nothing more than place a "Lay" bet on at 1.01 which would not have been matched. The bet could be cancelled in the "unmatched bets" area. (I think anyway, someone with more experiance may be able to comment more accurately)

If you are tempted to "play" then watch some of the vids, save some cash buy a cheep laser printer a spare cartridge and spend some time going through the FAQs and threads from the forum print em and read em.

There are a number of really knowledgable people on the site some are a little vague, some very straightforward but all give peices of the puzzle which is invaluable. Seek out "The Tub, Quinny, LeTiss and Andyfuller" there are loads of others just as helpful out there and lot of people have taken a lot of time to help others out so use it.

More importantly expect to loose and make daft mistakes (I know I do) so keep it small stakes and keep confirm bets on.

And remember there is no such thing as a stupid question everyone sees things in a different way.

Have fun (before a nervous breakdown)

LilGB

[nachtwacht]

Hiya,

Enticing isn't it Pandora's Box; I know I was the same, just like the the furniture and the computer the manual is there for when somthing doesn't work. However in this instance download the PDF Manual and read through it and just watch the screen do it's thing. (for a while anyway).

Now if the manual would actualy be about Bet Angel Basic that would be great. However, the manual, wich I have allready printed, is not about the basic version but about the pro version (that is atleast, as far as the manuals that I can find

So unfortunatly, it's a great tip, but does unfortunatly not apply in this situation

I think actualy also, if I place a lay bet at 1.01 (thats indeed what it did) and the price I could get is better than 1.01 I will get executed at the better price.... wich is what it did.... wich to me is strange because "confirm bets" was turned on. (wich is why I did not see any harm in pressing any buttons)

So basicaly, I think it's a bug.... why green if there is nothing to green and why not confirm if confirm is checked....

Then again, I am totaly new to Bet Angel so might be saying some completely stupid things

Last, about the video's, they are all (as far as I could find) about bet angel professional... wich realy is a very different program as far as I have found up till now. Not very usefull so far for a basic user.

greetings

[Seabird]

If it is BA Basic you are using. What you do is Back £2 at 5 say and then Lay £2 at 4. Then hit the green up button and you will make 50p whatever the result. You have to have something to green-up before you hit the green-up button.

Hope this helps.

Seabird

[nachtwacht]

Thanks for the reply.

Lets explain it again, maybe that will make it a little more clear.

1) I am using betangel basic

2) I have no positions and I have not traded on anything. So all I see is the name of the horse, the small green button and then the blue buttons (when I would have traded before I would see the amount I will win/loose when a horse finishes first, this is not showing) So, to be short and clear, there is nothing to green up.

3) I have "confirm bets" checked.

4) now I press the green button

5) a lay order will get placed.

I have no idea if it gets layed at 1.01 and filled at a better price or if it gets placed on the higher price. Why I don't know ? Because I only did it once by accident and then another time on another race to see if I was not crazy. Since it places orders I don't want to have I am not going to experiment with it any further I do know that everything happens so fast that I am not able to press the "cancel" button that appears together with the order in the bottom of the Bet Angel screen.

greetings

[Seabird]

OK, I just did what you described, I did it in-running on the Wolverhampton 18:50.

The confirm box came up at the bottom and stayed there until I clicked the Cancel button. It was asking me if I wanted to confirm a lay bet of £2 at 1.01. Of course I cancelled it and no bet was placed. But also there is no option for me to place the bet so you can't lose any cash this way as far as I can see.

However, if you open a trade and then close it and then click the green up button it will either green up or red up depending on whether you have a proiftable or unprofitable trade. The confirm box comes up but disappears as it appears there is no confirm on the green up button. Personally I don't think the confirm box should come up at all, if you want to green up (or down) you want to do it fast. So it is just confusing if it comes up and disappears.

But if you just place a bet (back or lay) and then hit the green up button it will reduce your bet depending on the price conditions and the side you first placed the bet on. As it reduces the bet you placed I can't see that this does any harm even if you didn't want it to reduce your stake.

I think this is not a bug but maybe an 'undesirable' but I could be wrong. Surely the green up button should ONLY do something if there is both a back and a lay bet matched?

I hope this helps.

I think we need Bet Angel's view now.

Seabird

[lilgreenback]

Hi nachtwacht,

Soz mate the reply I gave may not have been too helpful. It's been a while since I used the BA Basic version so I downloaded it again to see what you meant. (when I first downloaded it I was sure there was more functionality on it that it had a basic ladder interface)

I see what you mean; I have clicked the green button on "Zabeel Palace" 12:45 Ascot tomoz. I confirmed bets tick ON, and hit the button. This fired a lay bet into BF in that market. I cancelled the bet and then tried placing a real bet in for 2.00 it asked me to confirm the Bet.

I clicked the green button again and as before the bet was placed. The unmatched bets section below the coloured back blue / lay red squares then showed Zabeel Palace odds 1.01 stake 2.00.

(The bar above/below the main screen with the unmatched bets can be dragged up or down to reveal it, hover the mouse over the line to show the arrow.)

I then placed a back bet in for 2.00 confirmed it then placed a lay bet in and confirmed it. Now this showed a loss of about 50p. With the confirm button still selected I pressed the green button. The Green closed the position in the market and as Seabird said spread the liability across the other runners about 8p loss.

The green button allows you to quickly trade up or get out of a market if you have traded in it already. If you have just pressed the green button there is nothing to trade so it sets a position of the minimum loss possible (I think) 1.01,.

It might be an idea to take a look at the offer BA are offering to trial the Pro version for a week. But don't play with it as it is all LIVE, leave min stakes, £10 max liability and confirm bets all on.

I put another thread in re an exchange simulator I have come across it's betfair and square. Look that up for a Play. There is no manual with it but if you watch the BA vids and read the manual then it should be fairly similar though the functions not as extensive as BA. Hope this helps a bit,

Cheers

LilGB

[nachtwacht]

Soz mate the reply I gave may not have been too helpful.

No problem, you get an A+ for trying

It's been a while since I used the BA Basic version so I downloaded it again to see what you meant. (when I first downloaded it I was sure there was more functionality on it that it had a basic ladder interface)

The Bet Angel website gave me the same impression wich is why I wanted to start out with Basic, learn the functions that were in there and then when knowing that, get the pro version. To my suprise there were not all that many functions there

I see what you mean; I have clicked the green button on "Zabeel Palace" 12:45 Ascot tomoz. I confirmed bets tick ON, and hit the button. This fired a lay bet into BF in that market. I cancelled the bet

Seabird confirmed the same. You get the option to cancel but probably I was not fast enough to press that button..... and for some reason after a few seconds it dids get executed.

It might be an idea to take a look at the offer BA are offering to trial the Pro version for a week. But don't play with it as it is all LIVE, leave min stakes, £10 max liability and confirm bets all on.

Going to get the 1 month trial next week. You guy's have to make some money so the rest is bad advice. It would be good if I play with it having no clue and just put some liquidity in the market ... but since I allready have the pro manual printed out, I guess I will start from there... sorry, no liquidity from me

I put another thread in re an exchange simulator I have come across it's betfair and square. Look that up for a Play. There is no manual with it but if you watch the BA vids and read the manual then it should be fairly similar though the functions not as extensive as BA. Hope this helps a bit,

Sure does, will do.

Thanks all who replied