Sorry to be boring - can somebody help

[Safeway]

I've been with Bet Angel quite a while but hardly used automation - can somebody help?

Using Guardian and looking to lay the field at acceptable odds, how do I stop the bot laying rank outsiders? I'm thinking NOT to lay runners with a price of (say) 50 plus for obvious reasons!

At the moment its going great and I'm laying at around 20% below the declared BSP in running. Obviously some unpleasant shocks await me if I don't restrict the selections.

Thanks all. Any help is gratefully appreciated.

D.

[sionascaig]

You could add a fixed odds condition to a lay rule so that lay price < 50? (and select EVERY selection)

[ShaunWhite]

You could use liability staking then you can lay any (all) of them for the same risk.

[Safeway]

Thanks sionascaig and Shaun.

You have both helped me. I haven't got around to looking at liability staking on Guardian - I do know what it is, I'll have to work out how to do in automation.

Today I let the automation run through all UK and Irish horseracing and ended up with a small loss. When I got home I got hold of the mouse and made it a profitable day. Maybe delegation is my problem

Thanks again.

[Safeway]

Another question...if somebody could help please?

I've forgotten more than I knew about using BA on football markets and am pretty inexperienced using Guardian although I've had some success with it on horses in the last couple of weeks.

So for footy and using Guardian (no spreadsheets) how do I automatically keep unmatched bet(s) open through (a) the initial suspension and (b) multiple in play suspensions to the end of the match if necessary?

I may get Guardian to place the bets 'pre-kick off' or 'in play' - is there anything different I should do if it's one or the other?

I know this is nursery stuff for you guys and thank you for your help.

D.

[sionascaig]

If using automation then run the Keep All rule after last bet and before the suspension (that will cover the in-play suspension)

If manual, just click the Keep All button on the unmatched bets section of ladder.

[Michael5482]

Another question...if somebody could help please?

I've forgotten more than I knew about using BA on football markets and am pretty inexperienced using Guardian although I've had some success with it on horses in the last couple of weeks.

So for footy and using Guardian (no spreadsheets) how do I automatically keep unmatched bet(s) open through (a) the initial suspension and (b) multiple in play suspensions to the end of the match if necessary?

I may get Guardian to place the bets 'pre-kick off' or 'in play' - is there anything different I should do if it's one or the other?

I know this is nursery stuff for you guys and thank you for your help.

D.

b) With multiple in-play suspensions it depends what the in-play suspension is for if it's goal Betfair will cancel all unmatched bets so nothing you or anyone one can do to keep your unmatched bets in the market. This is probably to stop people hoovering money up which is understandable. When the markets re-open this in itself can create opportunity when the market re-calibrates to it's new price.

If it's just suspend monkey suspending it for a free-kick, yellow card or absolutely nothing for example Betfair won't cancel your un-matched bets and the market will re-open with everything still in tact however you can cancel un-matched bets during one of these suspensions.

So to conclude it all depends on the event that has brought about the in-play suspension and how Betfair treat un-matched bets in relation to them.

[Safeway]

Thanks guys BUT......if this automation, why do I need to action a 'Keep all' rule after the bets are placed, albeit unmatched?

I've decided to place the bets before kick off but.......how without any manual intervention do I keep those unmatched bets open in play through all the various suspensions?

PS......I know it's not technically the same bet but after a goal for example its a cancelled bet then remade

Any help appreciated!

[sionascaig]

Thanks guys BUT......if this automation, why do I need to action a 'Keep all' rule after the bets are placed, albeit unmatched?

Because they will get cancelled when the market suspends to go in play (this is BF behaviour not BA)..

Once the market is in-play then see Michaels post above - they may or may not get cancelled depending on circumstances of suspend.

[Safeway]

Thanks everybody.

sionascaig - If I read you correctly.....I can program Guardian to place bets pre kick off BUT if I am absent and cannot click 'Keep All' in the unmatched bet section at the bottom of the screen then there is no way at all that I can keep a bet open through the initial suspension and subsequent 'bet cancelling-type' suspensions? We're saying that can't be done? Hell will freeze over before that can be achieved?

I don't have an answer myself which is why I am asking but with a product as sophisticated as Bet Angel, it is difficult to accept that such a simple and logical requirement is not catered for. Hate to question but there must be a way...?

May I also apologise for my ignorance on the subject

[Dallas]

Thanks everybody.

sionascaig - If I read you correctly.....I can program Guardian to place bets pre kick off BUT if I am absent and cannot click 'Keep All' in the unmatched bet section at the bottom of the screen then there is no way at all that I can keep a bet open through the initial suspension and subsequent 'bet cancelling-type' suspensions? We're saying that can't be done? Hell will freeze over before that can be achieved?

I don't have an answer myself which is why I am asking but with a product as sophisticated as Bet Angel, it is difficult to accept that such a simple and logical requirement is not catered for. Hate to question but there must be a way...?

May I also apologise for my ignorance on the subject

The first line of Sionacaig's reply he told you how to do - its just a straight forward simple rule

If using automation then run the Keep All rule after last bet and before the suspension (that will cover the in-play suspension)

If manual, just click the Keep All button on the unmatched bets section of ladder.

What people have being trying to explain is BF can cancel unmatched bets in-play (regardless of if they have been kept or not) depending on why they suspended the market

It wouldn't matter if you clicked the keep unmatched bet button pre-off or triggered a 'keep unmatched bets' rule as sionacaig described

[Safeway]

Thanks to everybody for the information - I am running something that's nearly OK! It's on horses.

It's only a week ago that I started adding rules to a rules file and now I am trying to iron out some wrinkles. My question is greening up the field. I was initially greening up manually and like you might expect, not all runners were greening up because the price might move away from the figure at which the bet on that runner was placed. I started to manually do a 'machine gun green up' and it worked.......repeatedly clicking the green up column until there were no reds left! I'd like to be able to do something similar in automation.

As I see it, I could have multiple green up rules which could trigger a second or two or three later than each other. Right.........what's the delay in horse racing in running between the bet being placed and the bet being in the market? As I understand it, each time the green up is triggered it cancels all unmatched bets. Basically I am happy to accept a lower 'green' on a runner or a very small 'red' on a runner if I can be taken out of the big danger zone!

Does anybody have any suggestions? I would also be happy to think about any method whereby a first and single green up is triggered at the desired profit level calculated on best market price but for the green up bets to be placed maybe 1/2/3 ticks away ie. a longer price for a lay or a shorter price for a back. I'm not sure how I would engineer this though!

Thanks all

[ShaunWhite]

. Right.........what's the delay in horse racing in running between the bet being placed and the bet being in the market? As I understand it, each time the green up is triggered it cancels all unmatched bets. Basically I am happy to accept a lower 'green' on a runner or a very small 'red' on a runner if I can be taken out of the big danger zone!

It's a one second delay. Yes each time you try to place your greening bet it'll cancel the unmatched ones but only if they've arrived in the market. You can cancel a bet that's only pending.

You're right not to obsess about being exactly even across the card, it'll even out over time anyway and all you're likely to do is give away money trying to do it. You don't want to be one of those mugs who'll chase a price just to "hedge". Trying to get a tidy pl isn't the way to get a big pl.