RANT CORNER

[Derek27]

Greta is a Heroine for myself

I don't wish to live in a Police State.

Blah blah blah!

But she was right with "blah, blah, blah". Our own govt is rowing back on climate change commitments becuase it's politically expedient.
Her point is it's nearly/already too late and it's her generation that will be dropped right in the poo and the powerful don't seem to give a fuck apart from saving their own sad ass's. Instead of mocking her, all of us should be saying the same to as many powerful people as we can.

I'm sure a lot of her 12-year-old followers agree with her but she doesn't really understand the complexity of every nation on Earth forming an agreement. She accuses every summit of achieving nothing before it's even happened, which just goes to show there's no pleasing her.

[greenmark]

Blah blah blah!

But she was right with "blah, blah, blah". Our own govt is rowing back on climate change commitments becuase it's politically expedient.
Her point is it's nearly/already too late and it's her generation that will be dropped right in the poo and the powerful don't seem to give a fuck apart from saving their own sad ass's. Instead of mocking her, all of us should be saying the same to as many powerful people as we can.

I'm sure a lot of her 12-year-old followers agree with her but she doesn't really understand the complexity of every nation on Earth forming an agreement. She accuses every summit of achieving nothing before it's even happened, which just goes to show there's no pleasing her.

sometimes radicalism can be the progenitor of progess. Sure enough the floods/white-outs are probably 4 times in 18 years here. But energy doesn't decay. If we trap more energy in our atmosphere you don't have to be a genius to realise the weather will get more lively. And for some more deadly. It's no laughing matter Derek. People will die for the apathy and profit of our generation. I don't want that on my conscience.
So good luck to Greta.

[Michael5482]

But she was right with "blah, blah, blah". Our own govt is rowing back on climate change commitments becuase it's politically expedient.
Her point is it's nearly/already too late and it's her generation that will be dropped right in the poo and the powerful don't seem to give a fuck apart from saving their own sad ass's. Instead of mocking her, all of us should be saying the same to as many powerful people as we can.

I'm sure a lot of her 12-year-old followers agree with her but she doesn't really understand the complexity of every nation on Earth forming an agreement. She accuses every summit of achieving nothing before it's even happened, which just goes to show there's no pleasing her.

sometimes radicalism can be the progenitor of progess. Sure enough the floods/white-outs are probably 4 times in 18 years here. But energy doesn't decay. If we trap more energy in our atmosphere you don't have to be a genius to realise the weather will get more lively. And for some more deadly. It's no laughing matter Derek. People will die for the apathy and profit of our generation. I don't want that on my conscience.
So good luck to Greta.

I wouldn't mind Greta if she came over here with a fully costed plan for net zero and how it would effect employment, tax, businesses, energy bills etc in the short, medium and long-term for example instead or reeking havoc and breaking the law.

That's the problem with these radicals they tend to have no answers and are just intent on causing as much disruption as possible including breaking the law. They want to ban everything when the reality is fossil fuels, air travel etc can still exist if it's off-set correctly neutral off-set would be good, negative off-set would be even better.

No one is denying the climate crisis but groups like Just Stop Oil and people like Greta do absolutely nothing for there causes other than continually turn public opinion against them and climate change.

[Kai]

I wouldn't mind Greta if she came over here with a fully costed plan for net zero and how it would effect employment, tax, businesses, energy bills etc in the short, medium and long-term for example instead or reeking havoc and breaking the law.

That's the problem with these radicals they tend to have no answers and are just intent on causing as much disruption as possible including breaking the law. They want to ban everything when the reality is fossil fuels, air travel etc can still exist if it's off-set correctly neutral off-set would be good, negative off-set would be even better.

I wouldn't expect an autistic kid with Asperger's syndrome and OCD to solve all the world's problems on her own.

I just think someone that donates all of her millions away, gets nominated for the Nobel peace prize and starts an entire movement at such an age deserves more admiration and less prosecution.

[jamesedwards]

Today's climate activists are exactly the same type of people who forced countries away from nuclear energy in decades past. If humanity had embraced nuclear energy we would have dramatically reduced our dependence on fossil fuels a long time ago.

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[jamesedwards]

McDonald's is falling on hard times. You used to get a burger for £1.49 on a Monday, now it's spend £12 on crap, save £3.

Get a £1 happy meal tomorrow, Derek!

They're offering a breakfast muffin for £1.19 as well. I'll have to get it before I go to bed and reheat it in the microwave.

But back to more important news, I managed to time my weekly shop this morning so I could pick up the mcmuffin on the way to Sainsburys, and the happy meal on the way home

[Derek27]

Free kids meal with a foot-long Subway. Makes you regret not having kids.

[ShaunWhite]

No one is denying the climate crisis but groups like Just Stop Oil and people like Greta do absolutely nothing for there causes other than continually turn public opinion against them and climate change.

The "no one is denying climate change" aren't very committed if the wrong sort of protest changes their opinion about the cause itself. Are people really so fickle that they'll be turned against it because the complainants aren't delivering a strongly worded letter on a silk cushion?

I do think most people still think climate change means it'll be a bit warmer rather than it meaning our extinction, and when they see JSO they decide they'd rather be a bit hot than have a snooker match ruined.

The message is gaining traction but the gravity of it still hasn't.

... Not aimed at you Micheal, your comment just triggered one of my bugbears.

[Derek27]

No one is denying the climate crisis but groups like Just Stop Oil and people like Greta do absolutely nothing for there causes other than continually turn public opinion against them and climate change.

The "no one is denying climate change" aren't very committed if the wrong sort of protest changes their opinion about the cause itself. Are people really so fickle that they'll be turned against it because the complainants aren't delivering a strongly worded letter on a silk cushion?

I do think most people still think climate change means it'll be a bit warmer rather than it meaning our extinction, and when they see JSO they decide they'd rather be a bit hot than have a snooker match ruined.

The message is gaining traction but the gravity of it still hasn't.

... Not aimed at you Micheal, your comment just triggered one of my bugbears.

I just can't stand self-righteous people. Even if they are right, there's more than one right way to do something or there's no such thing as "the right way". JSO nutters are very specific about what should be done. They could form a political party and attempt to get elected like any other party does but they think they're above that.

[Kai]

Are people really so fickle that they'll be turned against it because the complainants aren't delivering a strongly worded letter on a silk cushion?

Yes, this is part of the battle for public opinion. Like Derek just told you there, "even if they are right" just because they come off a bit smug this automatically makes them "wrong". But who cares what and how she says it, she says a lot to get enough traction, but it's her actions that speak the loudest.

A strongly worded letter is useless as it only ends up in the spam folder as Greta has found out, but her antics end up in the headlines instead.

[Michael5482]

No one is denying the climate crisis but groups like Just Stop Oil and people like Greta do absolutely nothing for there causes other than continually turn public opinion against them and climate change.

The "no one is denying climate change" aren't very committed if the wrong sort of protest changes their opinion about the cause itself. Are people really so fickle that they'll be turned against it because the complainants aren't delivering a strongly worded letter on a silk cushion?

I do think most people still think climate change means it'll be a bit warmer rather than it meaning our extinction, and when they see JSO they decide they'd rather be a bit hot than have a snooker match ruined.

The message is gaining traction but the gravity of it still hasn't.

... Not aimed at you Micheal, your comment just triggered one of my bugbears.

That's the way people think unfortunately the more they interfere in everyday life the more harm they do to the cause. You only have to read the news and comments to work that one out. The snooker analogy isn't really a good example a better one would be protestors closing the M25 stopping emergency services getting to an emergency and someone passing away which sadly happened last year.

The argument against this could be 100,000's of lives will be lost to climate change so one is OK in radical protesters eyes but that doesn't compute or wash with the overwhelming majority. I get that but the message has been lost and there behavior has a lot to do with this to the point where people in general have had enough. JSO lost a big backer the other week which was interesting to read.

Just because I detest the tactics doesn't mean I don't support climate change message (me and our lass do our bit and it costs money) unfortunately that's not true of others. Nothing wrong with peaceful protesting and lobbying Government but constant disruption and law breaking needs dealing with.

It's possible to become carbon neutral and still have air travel, fossil fuels (albeit reduced), eat meat etc it's just the radical protestors can't and don't want to accept this.

[ShaunWhite]

. They could form a political party and attempt to get elected like any other party does but they think they're above that.

You know that's not how the system works. Even UKIP couldn't get a seat despite wide spread support for their cause. Maybe they should have formed a party? Or did their pressure change a party that could actually deliver it for them?

"but they think they're above that." ? Do you live in a hole, the Green Party have existed for about 34 yrs now.

You're a fine one to talk about self righteous people, not a day goes by without you spouting the Gospel According to Derek.

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[Derek27]

Environmentalists often advise to spend a minute less in the shower. This of course means the guy that showers for an hour is advised to shower for 59 minutes, whereas the guy who showers for one minute is advised to stop showering altogether. With dumb advice like that, is it any wonder we don't listen to nutters gluing themselves to roads?

[Derek27]

. They could form a political party and attempt to get elected like any other party does but they think they're above that.

You know that's not how the system works. Even UKIP couldn't get a seat despite wide spread support for their cause. Maybe they should have formed a party? Or did their pressure change a party that could actually deliver it for them?

"but they think they're above that." ? Do you live in a hole, the Green Party have existed for about 34 yrs now.

You're a fine one to talk about self righteous people, not a day goes by without you spouting the Gospel According to Derek.
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I advise with absolute certainty that loss-recovery systems are not sensible but I don't physically stop anyone from doing it.

[ShaunWhite]

.The snooker analogy isn't really a good example a better one would be protestors closing the M25 stopping emergency services getting to an emergency and someone passing away which sadly happened last year.

I appreciate your considered opinion Micheal. That was clearly deeply regrettable. But worth remembering that everyday many more than necessary die because they don't even see an ambulance let alone get held up. That's down to someone's principals too.

It's not unlike the sycamore story, one dying is a headline, a football field full dying every 2 seconds isn't.

The positive thing is that everyone (?) wants the same outcome, we just all have very different ideas about how to get there. We've got to hate the game more than the players.

As for me I'm a hypocrite because I'm going to sign off now and go tinker with my car. I'm going to JSO by using it all to make a massive puddle on the garage floor