Hi everyone,
I've created a very simple automation rule for over 0.5 first half goals and in testing it in practice mode. I'm using the excellent functionality Dallas created which will give you a running total of profit and loss by updating the running total after every market closes.
I've noticed in Guardian that a lot of markets are still listed as being in play hours after the matches ended and the markets ar closed. Just wanted to check is this a known thing in practice mode (would make sense there is a delay for non live data) and secondly if so is there a way to refresh markets to get Guardian to realise the market has actually closed?
Dallas's profit / loss rule doesn't run until the market is closed, so I'm not getting an accurate profit / loss figure.
Thanks,
Chris
Automation in practice mode
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Dublin_Flyer
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On Guardian screen, check the Advanced Settings tab.
You might have Restrict Refresh ticked in the top left that will restrict your Guardian to only running/checking between the seconds before or after the limits. I'm not 100% sure, but essentially that only cares about that market between those times, so your Guardian is only monitoring the market from 1200 seconds (20 mins) before kickoff time, until 900 seconds (15 minutes) after kickoff time. As the 0.5 goal market often won't be closed 15 mins after kickoff time if there's no goal, Guardian moves on and leaves your market as-it-was so still in-play and you won't get a market closed result.
If the Restrict Refresh box is ticked, then simply untick it, and check how often your markets refresh interval is in the Markets tab.
20ms is the fastest, so for a Saturday of 500+ games it'll take 500*20ms = 10 seconds to cycle through all your games to see is the market closed or not.
Also as it's football, there could be 100+ games kicking off at once so make sure you're using a flat stake of your hypothetical bank and not a percentage of it. Or limit your triggers with conditions like market volume is greater than X and book percentage is between X and Y, so you're not firing on all games willy nilly.
Finally, remember at all times that practice mode is just to check whether your automations work and/or are triggering correctly, results from practice mode can and will vary, very much from real markets! Again, it's just there to check if your automation is working, not potential real life profit, just an estimation "if" your bets or lays are matched at the prices requested.
You might have Restrict Refresh ticked in the top left that will restrict your Guardian to only running/checking between the seconds before or after the limits. I'm not 100% sure, but essentially that only cares about that market between those times, so your Guardian is only monitoring the market from 1200 seconds (20 mins) before kickoff time, until 900 seconds (15 minutes) after kickoff time. As the 0.5 goal market often won't be closed 15 mins after kickoff time if there's no goal, Guardian moves on and leaves your market as-it-was so still in-play and you won't get a market closed result.
If the Restrict Refresh box is ticked, then simply untick it, and check how often your markets refresh interval is in the Markets tab.
20ms is the fastest, so for a Saturday of 500+ games it'll take 500*20ms = 10 seconds to cycle through all your games to see is the market closed or not.
Also as it's football, there could be 100+ games kicking off at once so make sure you're using a flat stake of your hypothetical bank and not a percentage of it. Or limit your triggers with conditions like market volume is greater than X and book percentage is between X and Y, so you're not firing on all games willy nilly.
Finally, remember at all times that practice mode is just to check whether your automations work and/or are triggering correctly, results from practice mode can and will vary, very much from real markets! Again, it's just there to check if your automation is working, not potential real life profit, just an estimation "if" your bets or lays are matched at the prices requested.
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coleydaman
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Hi Dublin_flyer,
Many thanks for your response. I was restricting the refresh to relatively shortly after I wanted the rule to stop placing bets, which is why it was recording only wins. I've removed the restriction, It is now recording all losses and some wins or missed, which has helped me realise I do r have a hugely profitable system, vital to know before I set it loose with real money!
Thanks again for your help!
Cheers,
Chris
Many thanks for your response. I was restricting the refresh to relatively shortly after I wanted the rule to stop placing bets, which is why it was recording only wins. I've removed the restriction, It is now recording all losses and some wins or missed, which has helped me realise I do r have a hugely profitable system, vital to know before I set it loose with real money!
Thanks again for your help!
Cheers,
Chris
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ShaunWhite
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The usual tale is....
Find something interesting in your stats vs price data
Then there's some slippage in Backtesting (if you have that )
A bit more slippage in Practice mode
Yet more slippage in Live.
You need to start with something decent to get to the point of opening your wallet, But with experience you can quantify those slippages and you only go live when the computer says yes, and that way you shouldn't get any nasty surprises. It also helps you to fail fast and move on which is crucial when so many strategies don't hold up.
It's tough when you're starting out though and suck-it-and-see can be an option if you can get value for money from the cost of the information it creates. Your bet history can be your most valuable asset esp if you're generating a lot of bets with the strategy.
Find something interesting in your stats vs price data
Then there's some slippage in Backtesting (if you have that )
A bit more slippage in Practice mode
Yet more slippage in Live.
You need to start with something decent to get to the point of opening your wallet, But with experience you can quantify those slippages and you only go live when the computer says yes, and that way you shouldn't get any nasty surprises. It also helps you to fail fast and move on which is crucial when so many strategies don't hold up.
It's tough when you're starting out though and suck-it-and-see can be an option if you can get value for money from the cost of the information it creates. Your bet history can be your most valuable asset esp if you're generating a lot of bets with the strategy.
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ShaunWhite
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.... Where did you think your edge might be? Just betting randomly (ie taking prices rather than offering) will always produce losses, try to figure out why that is, and what you need to do to be the one they're losing to. What is it about the market efficiency that makes life hard for punters that actually makes it theoretically straightforward for us?coleydaman wrote: ↑Sun Nov 05, 2023 10:31 am, which has helped me realise I do or don't have a hugely profitable system, vital to know before I set it loose with real money!