UK General Election 2024 (or 25)

[Derek27]

Chris Bryant: Bearing in mind that a very significant proportion of people who sleep rough are army veterans and people who have acquired brain injuries, does the prime minister agree with his home secretary when she says that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice and if he doesn't will he sack her?

[Derek27]

Covid inquiry reveals that Boris the Buffoon did say let the bodies pile high, lied about it in parliament, and several of his cabinet mates lied about it to protect him.

Not sure who's the bigger fool. The buffoon or the people (including Ben Wally) who sacrificed their own dignity to protect him. It would have been understandable if it were shortly after the election when he was considered a vote winner, but by this time he was fully exposed as an incompetent bumbling buffoon going nowhere.

[firlandsfarm]

Chris Bryant: Bearing in mind that a very significant proportion of people who sleep rough are army veterans and people who have acquired brain injuries, does the prime minister agree with his home secretary when she says that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice and if he doesn't will he sack her?

Leaving veterans on the street is totally unacceptable but is something all Governments have been guilty of.

But as for Suella Braverman it's a shame that we have yet another example of someone's words being taken out of context and used to fuel yet another bandwagon on route to Woke City.
(https://news.sky.com/story/what-were-su ... s-13001869)

[The Silk Run]

Chris Bryant: Bearing in mind that a very significant proportion of people who sleep rough are army veterans and people who have acquired brain injuries, does the prime minister agree with his home secretary when she says that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice and if he doesn't will he sack her?

Leaving veterans on the street is totally unacceptable but is something all Governments have been guilty of.

But as for Suella Braverman it's a shame that we have yet another example of someone's words being taken out of context and used to fuel yet another bandwagon on route to Woke City.
(https://news.sky.com/story/what-were-su ... s-13001869)

Isn't this ironic that you remember your heroes this weekend and you have the Home Secretary wanting to enforce the vagrancy act that was introduced almost 200 years ago to stop veterans rough sleeping following the end of the Napolean Wars.

[The Silk Run]

Of the rough sleepers I know in Central London none of which use tents because they are dangerous. They even sleep with their sleeping bags unzipped. If their bedding is left unattended for even short periods cleansing teams will remove them.

The tents are used by the Roma community who setup in groups for safety. Park Lane, Marble Arch as an example. They are professional begging gangs !!!

[firlandsfarm]

Isn't this ironic that you remember your heroes this weekend and you have the Home Secretary wanting to enforce the vagrancy act that was introduced almost 200 years ago to stop veterans rough sleeping following the end of the Napolean Wars.

Hi Silk, I don't know the vagrancy act so cannot really comment on that but I read her comment as ... if you are 'on the street' there are ways we can provide you with shelter but if you don't want us to then it's your choice to remain 'on the street'. That's the issue many are choosing to misinterpret for their bandwagon.

Of the rough sleepers I know in Central London none of which use tents because they are dangerous. They even sleep with their sleeping bags unzipped. If their bedding is left unattended for even short periods cleansing teams will remove them.

The tents are used by the Roma community who setup in groups for safety. Park Lane, Marble Arch as an example. They are professional begging gangs !!!

Yes, from what I have read living 'rough' is dangerous because there are others in a like position who will rob you of your essentials. In a way I can understand that (but not approve). If you think you may freeze to death you will have a strong desire to take someone else's protection. The Roma are very professional and they know how to exploit their minority so that they cannot be criticised and receive sympathy from the goody-goodies.

Like many issues in life it's one with no solution. If the Government offer to give shelter and it's refused resulting in them forcing someone to shelter they will be criticised for 'kidnapping' them and if they leave them and not force them a goody-goody will see them the next day and claim the Government are doing nothing to help them!

[Derek27]

Chris Bryant: Bearing in mind that a very significant proportion of people who sleep rough are army veterans and people who have acquired brain injuries, does the prime minister agree with his home secretary when she says that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice and if he doesn't will he sack her?

Leaving veterans on the street is totally unacceptable but is something all Governments have been guilty of.

But as for Suella Braverman it's a shame that we have yet another example of someone's words being taken out of context and used to fuel yet another bandwagon on route to Woke City.
(https://news.sky.com/story/what-were-su ... s-13001869)

"The British people are compassionate. We will always support those who are genuinely homeless ... There are options for people who don't want to be sleeping rough, and the government is working with local authorities to strengthen wraparound support including treatment for those with drug and alcohol addiction."

What planet is that bitch on? Working people can't even find a place to rent, never mind homeless people. When I was living near my city centre I got to know quite a few homeless people. What is "genuine homelessness"? What is someone who's not genuinely homeless?

Nothing has been taken out of context, she chose to use the word, lifestyle choice. At least you agree it's unacceptable to leave war veterans on the streets but it's actually unacceptable to leave anyone on the streets. Covid proved they can provide them with shelter if it suits the government, but otherwise they don't give a fuck.

[Derek27]

Like many issues in life it's one with no solution. If the Government offer to give shelter and it's refused resulting in them forcing someone to shelter they will be criticised for 'kidnapping' them and if they leave them and not force them a goody-goody will see them the next day and claim the Government are doing nothing to help them!

If they offered everybody shelter and some refused to accept it, then Bitch Braverman could make sleeping in tents on the street or public areas illegal and even I wouldn't complain. The problem is, she's deluded into thinking they already have adequate offers of shelter.

[firlandsfarm]

Chris Bryant: Bearing in mind that a very significant proportion of people who sleep rough are army veterans and people who have acquired brain injuries, does the prime minister agree with his home secretary when she says that sleeping rough is a lifestyle choice and if he doesn't will he sack her?

Leaving veterans on the street is totally unacceptable but is something all Governments have been guilty of.

But as for Suella Braverman it's a shame that we have yet another example of someone's words being taken out of context and used to fuel yet another bandwagon on route to Woke City.
(https://news.sky.com/story/what-were-su ... s-13001869)

"The British people are compassionate. We will always support those who are genuinely homeless ... There are options for people who don't want to be sleeping rough, and the government is working with local authorities to strengthen wraparound support including treatment for those with drug and alcohol addiction."

What planet is that bitch on? Working people can't even find a place to rent, never mind homeless people. When I was living near my city centre I got to know quite a few homeless people. What is "genuine homelessness"? What is someone who's not genuinely homeless?

Nothing has been taken out of context, she chose to use the word, lifestyle choice. At least you agree it's unacceptable to leave war veterans on the streets but it's actually unacceptable to leave anyone on the streets. Covid proved they can provide them with shelter if it suits the government, but otherwise they don't give a fuck.

Oh dear do I have to fully explain everything? She used the term 'lifestyle choice' towards those who have chosen not to explore the assisted routes to shelter. If they choose not to take advantage of services aimed at helping them then they are choosing to be homeless and are not "genuinely homeless". The English is quite simple really if you read and understand it with an open mind without bias. Yes she did use the words "lifestyle choice" and you as a passenger on the bandwagon to Woke City are choosing to ignore the context.

[firlandsfarm]

Like many issues in life it's one with no solution. If the Government offer to give shelter and it's refused resulting in them forcing someone to shelter they will be criticised for 'kidnapping' them and if they leave them and not force them a goody-goody will see them the next day and claim the Government are doing nothing to help them!

If they offered everybody shelter and some refused to accept it, then Bitch Braverman could make sleeping in tents on the street or public areas illegal and even I wouldn't complain. The problem is, she's deluded into thinking they already have adequate offers of shelter.

And your evidence for that is ...? or is it just another unfounded statement of bias?

[Archangel]

I know she says a lot of crazy things there are many to choose from, but saying homelessness is a lifestyle choice is out there...

[Derek27]

Leaving veterans on the street is totally unacceptable but is something all Governments have been guilty of.

But as for Suella Braverman it's a shame that we have yet another example of someone's words being taken out of context and used to fuel yet another bandwagon on route to Woke City.
(https://news.sky.com/story/what-were-su ... s-13001869)

"The British people are compassionate. We will always support those who are genuinely homeless ... There are options for people who don't want to be sleeping rough, and the government is working with local authorities to strengthen wraparound support including treatment for those with drug and alcohol addiction."

What planet is that bitch on? Working people can't even find a place to rent, never mind homeless people. When I was living near my city centre I got to know quite a few homeless people. What is "genuine homelessness"? What is someone who's not genuinely homeless?

Nothing has been taken out of context, she chose to use the word, lifestyle choice. At least you agree it's unacceptable to leave war veterans on the streets but it's actually unacceptable to leave anyone on the streets. Covid proved they can provide them with shelter if it suits the government, but otherwise they don't give a fuck.

Oh dear do I have to fully explain everything? She used the term 'lifestyle choice' towards those who have chosen not to explore the assisted routes to shelter. If they choose not to take advantage of services aimed at helping them then they are choosing to be homeless and are not "genuinely homeless". The English is quite simple really if you read and understand it with an open mind without bias. Yes she did use the words "lifestyle choice" and you as a passenger on the bandwagon to Woke City are choosing to ignore the context.

Absolute bollocks. She said, "But we cannot allow our streets to be taken over by rows of tents occupied by people, many of them from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice".

She doesn't say what "many" is or offer any evidence of how many. She says they're "from" abroad, and as we all know, she doesn't like people from abroad, even though she is herself, and she doesn't say how many of them have a home abroad but make a choice to sleep rough over here.

There are a lot of Ukrainians who live rough after the Homes for Ukrainians scheme ended. Is fleeing the war and living rough a lifestyle choice?

[Derek27]

Like many issues in life it's one with no solution. If the Government offer to give shelter and it's refused resulting in them forcing someone to shelter they will be criticised for 'kidnapping' them and if they leave them and not force them a goody-goody will see them the next day and claim the Government are doing nothing to help them!

If they offered everybody shelter and some refused to accept it, then Bitch Braverman could make sleeping in tents on the street or public areas illegal and even I wouldn't complain. The problem is, she's deluded into thinking they already have adequate offers of shelter.

And your evidence for that is ...? or is it just another unfounded statement of bias?

Evidence for what? Her legal power to make tents on streets illegal, the fact that I wouldn't complain, her delusions or lack of shelter?

[Derek27]

Downing Street have confirmed that the Bitch's article for The Times was presented to No.10 for approval, they didn't clear it and demanded changes but the article was published unmodified. They are now looking into the Bitch's subordination.

What's more embarrassing for No.10, sacking her again or not sacking her?

[Archery1969]

On the homeless point. I do know 3 veterans living on the streets in Brighton. All 3 have been offered accommodation by the council and help by other agencies. But for a number of complex reasons prefer to be outside, as strange as that may sound.

So, as far as those 3 are concerned they are making a choice although I appreciate it may not be a straightforward situation to deal with.