Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[firlandsfarm]

Well it didn't take long did it, fully predicted by some and was openly predictable to others ... excuses, excuses, excuses! Prisons worse than expected ... it will be difficult to achieve our manifesto ... taxes will need to be reviewed ... and the list keeps building ... it will be difficult to stop the boats (really, they only just realised that!). Those who thought they were in the frying pan seem to have jumped into the fire!

[Archery1969]

Well it didn't take long did it, fully predicted by some and was openly predictable to others ... excuses, excuses, excuses! Prisons worse than expected ... it will be difficult to achieve our manifesto ... taxes will need to be reviewed ... and the list keeps building ... it will be difficult to stop the boats (really, they only just realised that!). Those who thought they were in the frying pan seem to have jumped into the fire!

Yep, was always on the cards. All this will do is push more and more towards reform come any By elections or the next General Election.

I thought they said they weren't going to allow water bills being increased or did i miss something ?



This is more worrying....

The new Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood said we would have to be very frank and credible about the long term. Releasing prisoners early would buy the government 18 months" he said but added. It won't buy you any more than that. He added, If the situation is that we haven’t got new money, are you seriously going to be saying that instead of building a new hospital, we’re going to be building a new nick at the cost of £600,000 per cell ?

[sionascaig]

Actually it would appear that Labour are for more conservative then the Conservatives.... Stripping out planning red tape and fast tracking local devolution... (that is about as conservative as you can get).

It took them just 1 day to show up just how incompetent the old government was.

Meanwhile the Conservative psychodrama continues with the leadership positioning.

Quite looking forward to it )

[firlandsfarm]

Actually it would appear that Labour are for more conservative then the Conservatives.... Stripping out planning red tape and fast tracking local devolution... (that is about as conservative as you can get).

It took them just 1 day to show up just how incompetent the old government was.

Meanwhile the Conservative psychodrama continues with the leadership positioning.

Quite looking forward to it )

Well that explains why people were duped by them ... There is a difference between saying they will strip out planning red tape and fast track local devolution and actually achieving it but I do realise that if the difference is not understood then people will think they have already done it!

What took them a day to show how incompetent the old government was? ... what did they achieve in that one day that the previous government didn't (other than being better at deceiving the public)?

[sionascaig]

What took them a day to show how incompetent the old government was? ...

All they had to do was turn up & speak coherently - it was a very low bar.

Anyhow, in the spirit this thread, what are the conservative excuses for the state of prisons, NHS, cost of living, education, schools, water, armed forces, no-deal brexit & highest tax burden in post war times?

The only thing we can be sure about is there are plenty of more horror stories still to be unearthed as the extent of the carnage they have concealed is made plain.

[Emmson]

Ed Miliband orders immediate ban on new drilling in North Sea

This Labour voter of last week does not appreciate this move one bit.

Labour proposes to ease planning restrictions on onshore wind farms

One the other hand I do like this move.

Labour brings back compulsory housebuilding targets

and this

[greenmark]

Well it didn't take long did it, fully predicted by some and was openly predictable to others ... excuses, excuses, excuses! Prisons worse than expected ... it will be difficult to achieve our manifesto ... taxes will need to be reviewed ... and the list keeps building ... it will be difficult to stop the boats (really, they only just realised that!). Those who thought they were in the frying pan seem to have jumped into the fire!

That's the legacy of 14 years of mismanagement. Their successors can blame everything on their predecessors.
14 years Fiirlandsfarm. Where should we have been now compared to where we are?
I'm staggered that you don't accept that that group have failed. I'd give you £100 and expect it to have grown above inflation 14 years later.
Labour are setting the situation as is it is. Inheriting a s**tshow after neglect, underinvestment, nepotism, internal party bickering. Brexit has been a total disaster.
Takes a long time to repair the mistakes (and deliberate selfish greed) of 14 years.

[Archery1969]

People, let’s have some facts for a change:

- There was a world-wide financial crisis which led to austerity in the UK. There was no choice here as someone sold half our gold reserves at a market low and never put it back.

- There was a world-wide Covid pandemic. They government at the time decided to bailout every individual and business to the tune of £400 Billion. Yes, some self-employed and those on benefits were left behind. But many economists and former Labour PM said the UK made a big mistake with furlough and he would not have done it. HMRC should have decided how much each household and business needed to survive.

- Russia deciders to invade Ukraine, sending energy prices through the roof and also meaning the UK sending £4 billion in military aid each year since.

- The tax base has been shrinking since 2011. More people have been stopping work due to illness, taking their private pension early, moving overseas or just being a lazy twat on benefits.

Yes, I agree, mistakes have been made but financially not enough to reverse all the above points or even dent it. Truss cost the UK £45 billion extra but even that is peanuts on the grand scale of things.

- People move to rural areas to get away from city life and look upon fields. They don’t want a wind farm or solar panel farm next to their dwellings, why would they, not the reason why they bought the property to begin with.

- The NHS which apparently you lot love some much. That’s bollocks on a grand scale. £270 billion per years and forecast to rise every year based on inflation, immigration, pay increases and products costs. It’s not sustainable. I am gob smacked nobody on this forum can see it. Basically, you’re deluded.

Now Labour are saying we didn’t know how bad things were with the NHS, Prisons, Education, Housing and Defence. Again, utter bollocks, they have seen the books since 2016 when there was a change whereby government finances are published and confirmed by the OBR.

But Labour will now say in the coming months that certain taxes need to rise. Basically breaking their manifesto and for some, reasons why they voted for them.

The best one I am waiting for is when Labour sack 140,000 workers in Aberdeen who work in oil and gas. That’s going to go down like the titanic did.

But, forget all the above, 90% of military people believe there will be WW3 within the next 5 years, so it probably doesn’t matter as most of the UK and Europe will be burnt toast anyway.

Peace.

[greenmark]

People, let’s have some facts for a change:

- There was a world-wide financial crisis which led to austerity in the UK. There was no choice here as someone sold half our gold reserves at a market low and never put it back.

- There was a world-wide Covid pandemic. They government at the time decided to bailout every individual and business to the tune of £400 Billion. Yes, some self-employed and those on benefits were left behind. But many economists and former Labour PM said the UK made a big mistake with furlough and he would not have done it. HMRC should have decided how much each household and business needed to survive.

- Russia deciders to invade Ukraine, sending energy prices through the roof and also meaning the UK sending £4 billion in military aid each year since.

- The tax base has been shrinking since 2011. More people have been stopping work due to illness, taking their private pension early, moving overseas or just being a lazy twat on benefits.

Yes, I agree, mistakes have been made but financially not enough to reverse all the above points or even dent it. Truss cost the UK £45 billion extra but even that is peanuts on the grand scale of things.

- People move to rural areas to get away from city life and look upon fields. They don’t want a wind farm or solar panel farm next to their dwellings, why would they, not the reason why they bought the property to begin with.

- The NHS which apparently you lot love some much. That’s bollocks on a grand scale. £270 billion per years and forecast to rise every year based on inflation, immigration, pay increases and products costs. It’s not sustainable. I am gob smacked nobody on this forum can see it. Basically, you’re deluded.

Now Labour are saying we didn’t know how bad things were with the NHS, Prisons, Education, Housing and Defence. Again, utter bollocks, they have seen the books since 2016 when there was a change whereby government finances are published and confirmed by the OBR.

But Labour will now say in the coming months that certain taxes need to rise. Basically breaking their manifesto and for some, reasons why they voted for them.

The best one I am waiting for is when Labour sack 140,000 workers in Aberdeen who work in oil and gas. That’s going to go down like the titanic did.

But, forget all the above, 90% of military people believe there will be WW3 within the next 5 years, so it probably doesn’t matter as most of the UK and Europe will be burnt toast anyway.

Peace.

Global economic crisis and covid affected every economy. We failed.
We tracked the US, but were behind Germany (for example) in deaths during Covid.
We flat-lined economically while the US continued on an upward trajectory after the covid trough.
I'm surprised you describe people as being "a lazy twat on benefits" after pointing out that Scandanvian countries pay 80% of salary to the unemployed.
The NHS is under-funded. Plain and simple. People winge about the cost. The NHS could be a glossy advert for the UK. The Troies have let it wither away while allowing private health companies to sidle into the space and charge vast sums for the same services.

Labour are simply setting out what the landscape is. There are no excuses. They MUST deliver. If not they should be kicked out at the next opportunity.

[oferns]

Absolute pantomime

[Emmson]

The money that came from selling gold had ZERO effect on economy as it was reinvested into other currencies, it was not used for public spending.

[Archery1969]

The money that came from selling gold had ZERO effect on economy as it was reinvested into other currencies, it was not used for public spending.

What planet are you on, Brown sold it to invest in hospitals, I was not knocking him for that. But he never put it back, which he said would happen. The UK can only borrow money on international markets against assets, Gold being one of them. Its also the reason whereby the country gaurantees the cash in society. If you have no assets, then you cant borrow or if you do its at much higher interest rates. Same as government issues bonds, as government cant gaurantee them unless it has assets. Well, they could but the financial markets would just think your doing another Truss etc.

[Archery1969]

People, let’s have some facts for a change:

- There was a world-wide financial crisis which led to austerity in the UK. There was no choice here as someone sold half our gold reserves at a market low and never put it back.

- There was a world-wide Covid pandemic. They government at the time decided to bailout every individual and business to the tune of £400 Billion. Yes, some self-employed and those on benefits were left behind. But many economists and former Labour PM said the UK made a big mistake with furlough and he would not have done it. HMRC should have decided how much each household and business needed to survive.

- Russia deciders to invade Ukraine, sending energy prices through the roof and also meaning the UK sending £4 billion in military aid each year since.

- The tax base has been shrinking since 2011. More people have been stopping work due to illness, taking their private pension early, moving overseas or just being a lazy twat on benefits.

Yes, I agree, mistakes have been made but financially not enough to reverse all the above points or even dent it. Truss cost the UK £45 billion extra but even that is peanuts on the grand scale of things.

- People move to rural areas to get away from city life and look upon fields. They don’t want a wind farm or solar panel farm next to their dwellings, why would they, not the reason why they bought the property to begin with.

- The NHS which apparently you lot love some much. That’s bollocks on a grand scale. £270 billion per years and forecast to rise every year based on inflation, immigration, pay increases and products costs. It’s not sustainable. I am gob smacked nobody on this forum can see it. Basically, you’re deluded.

Now Labour are saying we didn’t know how bad things were with the NHS, Prisons, Education, Housing and Defence. Again, utter bollocks, they have seen the books since 2016 when there was a change whereby government finances are published and confirmed by the OBR.

But Labour will now say in the coming months that certain taxes need to rise. Basically breaking their manifesto and for some, reasons why they voted for them.

The best one I am waiting for is when Labour sack 140,000 workers in Aberdeen who work in oil and gas. That’s going to go down like the titanic did.

But, forget all the above, 90% of military people believe there will be WW3 within the next 5 years, so it probably doesn’t matter as most of the UK and Europe will be burnt toast anyway.

Peace.

Global economic crisis and covid affected every economy. We failed.
We tracked the US, but were behind Germany (for example) in deaths during Covid.
We flat-lined economically while the US continued on an upward trajectory after the covid trough.
I'm surprised you describe people as being "a lazy twat on benefits" after pointing out that Scandanvian countries pay 80% of salary to the unemployed.
The NHS is under-funded. Plain and simple. People winge about the cost. The NHS could be a glossy advert for the UK. The Troies have let it wither away while allowing private health companies to sidle into the space and charge vast sums for the same services.

Labour are simply setting out what the landscape is. There are no excuses. They MUST deliver. If not they should be kicked out at the next opportunity.

The only reasons Scandinavian countries offer 80% of previous salary while looking for a job is because the person(s) had a job with ex salary to start with. Its also backed up by employer contributions. It actually costs the governments over their very little compare to the UK unemployment system. Yes, their are lazy twats on the dole in the UK. I never said all of them.

[Emmson]

The money that came from selling gold had ZERO effect on economy as it was reinvested into other currencies, it was not used for public spending.

What planet are you on, Brown sold it to invest in hospitals, I was not knocking him for that. But he never put it back, which he said would happen. The UK can only borrow money on international markets against assets, Gold being one of them. Its also the reason whereby the country gaurantees the cash in society. If you have no assets, then you cant borrow or if you do its at much higher interest rates. Same as government issues bonds, as government cant gaurantee them unless it has assets. Well, they could but the financial markets would just think your doing another Truss etc.

The $3.5bn of revenue raised in the sales was invested in interest-bearing assets denominated in dollars, euros and yen to the extent of 40%, 40% and 20% respectively.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporter ... brown.html

[Euler]

Thsi thread feels like it's skirting on the edge of causing a ruckus.

Basics are western economies are heavily indebted, after 2008 Financial crisis, Covid and then the War in Ukraine. Putin chose his time to start the war as he knew the west was weakened.

Whenever you get these dislocations you do get upheaval.

Also when anybody gets power, whether it be a company or country they always do the same thing. On my god, what a mess, but don't worry I have a solution.... It's the oldest trick in the book. Everybody does it.

Labours ideology is equality of outcome, so there solution is to tax as much as possible anybody that has money.

Converstation ideology is equality of opportunity, so there solution is to free up private capital.

Both would argue either is the solution.

Ten years later there will be a discussion as to why those policies didn't work and they will be voted out.

Politicians will move on and the problem with be left with somebody else.

Re The NHS, yeah, everybody loves it, but it is unsustainable. The budget only ever goes up and is compounded the budget each year. So that's completely unsustainable in the long run. I checked the NHS budget and if you dig below the headlines numbers most of the budget is spent on wages and pensions. Everybody expects those two items to rise above inflation, so if you extrapolate that you eventually end up with a system where more and more of the budget is spent on those items. That's not going to work.

But hold on, I have a solution for that and its...... (Insert ideology)