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Emmson
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:45 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:31 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm
I'm watching Sky News in disbelief. Why aren't the army called in?

How long are thousands of police going to be standing their ground and how many houses are being burgled right now?
Calling the Army in would be a last resort as it would indicate the Police can’t cope with civil disobedience. No government wants to admit that and I doubt the Police would either.

Also, 1/3 of UK troops are overseas at all times, another 1/3 are held back in reserve if the unthinkable happens. That leaves around 26,000 available minus those on leave or sick. That doesn’t leave many to deploy around the country in all the hotspots plus others that might pop up etc.
The police can't cope. They're on the retreat, unable to protect the hotel and rioters have got in. They even tried to set it on fire with people in the building.
That sounds very very serious, have not had news on today. It's very grim and our plentiful enemies around the world are loving it all , if not actively encouraging it and possibly financing it.
Archery1969
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:45 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:31 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm
I'm watching Sky News in disbelief. Why aren't the army called in?

How long are thousands of police going to be standing their ground and how many houses are being burgled right now?
Calling the Army in would be a last resort as it would indicate the Police can’t cope with civil disobedience. No government wants to admit that and I doubt the Police would either.

Also, 1/3 of UK troops are overseas at all times, another 1/3 are held back in reserve if the unthinkable happens. That leaves around 26,000 available minus those on leave or sick. That doesn’t leave many to deploy around the country in all the hotspots plus others that might pop up etc.
The police can't cope. They're on the retreat, unable to protect the hotel and rioters have got in. They even tried to set it on fire with people in the building.
Sir Kier was director of public prosecutions. As angry as he maybe he is well aware of the bar that needs to be met before calling the army in or allowing the police to use rubber bullets.

However, you could argue some of these offences are bordering on attempted murder. I’m not a legal person but I imagine that alone warrants the use of rubber bullets. And in the worst cases live rounds. But the latter could open up a can of worms on mainland UK.

But yes, if it were me, then I would deploy 1 regiment of Gurkhas and Paras fully authorised to use rubber bullets where there is an imminent danger of life, like trying to burn a hotel down.

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PS. That would be around 3,000 soldiers. Split them up into 200 man mobile teams and send them to wherever you need to around the country.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:44 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:41 pm
I'm watching Sky News in disbelief. Why aren't the army called in?

How long are thousands of police going to be standing their ground and how many houses are being burgled right now?
It’s now kicking off in Weymouth…
Who cares? Apart from the locals. This is an organised social disruption. But the frontline guilty are now going to get punished. The ringleaders may well walk away grinning. But they have popped their heads above the parapet now. They may may not feel so clever in a while.
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lol - look at what I spied on the front page of the sunday torygraph (firland will be able to corroborate this!). Smart move (tagged and out having fun!!)
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Archery1969
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jimibt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:59 pm
lol - look at what I spied on the front page of the sunday torygraph (firland will be able to corroborate this!). Smart move (tagged and out having fun!!)

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:lol:

Apart from being an idiot for what he is doing. As he have no common sense to put long trousers on ?

I do wonder sometimes if some people should have been put down before they were born. I don’t mean that in the way it probably sounds. But some people are beyond help.
Archery1969
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Humza Yousaf calls for army to be called in.

Although, to me, he seems to have some serious questions to ask about his comments given to Sky News earlier on today.
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:52 pm
I’m not a legal person but I imagine that alone warrants the use of rubber bullets. And in the worst cases live rounds. But the latter could open up a can of worms on mainland UK.
Just send in the army with live ammunition. If lawyers object, they can turn their guns on the lawyers. :D
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:16 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:52 pm
I’m not a legal person but I imagine that alone warrants the use of rubber bullets. And in the worst cases live rounds. But the latter could open up a can of worms on mainland UK.
Just send in the army with live ammunition. If lawyers object, they can turn their guns on the lawyers. :D
:lol:

On a serious note, the Army with rubber bulkets would be more than sufficient. No need for live rounds. They were only needed in NI when live rounds were being fired back etc.

But even then human rights lawyers would be bringing lawsuits. A rubber bullet fired at your chest could collapse one or both lungs or stop your heart. Fired at your liver then the shock could cause massive internal fatal bleeding. Usually it’s enough to knock you off your feet with the biggest bruise you ever seen or break an arm/leg.
Basically you won’t be able to run away anytime soon. And if you goto hospital or a GP surgery then they will know you been hit by something out of the ordinary and probably ring the Police.
Archery1969
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Kicking off in Tamworth….
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Asian gangs are targeting white people in Middlesbrough.

This will add more propaganda to the Far Right.

TR has made 11 YouTube videos in the last 24 hours telling people to rise up and drive Asians and non whites out of the UK.

:?
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ForFolksSake
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Starmer says far-right rioters will 'regret' disorder
Starmer is like a 'nodding' dog in the back of a car
What a 'wanker' !!
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Dabbla
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Archery1969 wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2024 10:20 pm
Asian gangs are targeting white people in Middlesbrough.

This will add more propaganda to the Far Right.

TR has made 11 YouTube videos in the last 24 hours telling people to rise up and drive Asians and non whites out of the UK.

:?
Could you post a link for that? His MO has all ways been against Muslims / Islam not Asians.
Asian and Muslims are completely different things. One’s a race the other is a a follower of Islam ,a religion, an Ideology.
Asian could be anything from China to Saudi Arabia.
I think It was Muslims targeting white people Not Asians. They maybe of Asian descent but pretty sure they their fighting for Islam.
I have only seen one video of TR from this weekend. He’s talking to an India reporter. He says he opposes Islamic immigration and Islam in to this country, but all other religions and races who what to in brace the country are welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-on8kadZh0
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It's no surprise the vast majority of riots have been in the north, I live in the north and we've been shat on by the Tory's and now Labour. People were told vote for change and 2 weeks in they voted to keep the 2 child benefit and then removed the winter fuel allowance for pensioners (they spent 14 years slagging the Tory's off on poverty and created more) whilst still spending 8 million a day on migrants in hotels who are unvetted and left to wander the streets and people have had enough. People have had genuine concerns but Starmer then labels them all as far right thugs which was a red rag to a bull.

Was there an undercurrent of hooligans, criminals involved of course there was but by and large the feeling is people in the north are seeing through the political lies we are sold the stabbings were just the catalyst and was unfortunately it was this that lit the tinder box that has been simmering for years.

Mass immigration has been forced on the north and by and large Hindus, Sikhs, Blacks have integrated well however Muslims have created ghettos forcing British people out of certain areas, failed to integrate trying to force Islamists ways in areas as well as police cover ups with grooming gangs etc Two tier policing is evident including the other week in Leeds when immigrants rioted and the police stood by and watched, this gave the green light that rioting was OK. I've seen videos of Muslims now hunting white British people and a police officer telling Muslims to put weapons back in a mosque (wtf by the way) but not seen any of this on the mainstream news 2 tier reporting as well as policing. The reason the Government don't like social media is everyone sees the full picture and their narrative cannot be controlled like when they roll an MP out to do the rounds every morning on Sky, BBC etc to tell us bollocks.

There's a big demo in Newcastle next Saturday, the north-east will put out another show of strength, I'll be there with my fellow far-right Brits that Starmer has labeled us as. Fuck Starmer and Fuck the Government.

The Government has lost control of our Borders and the streets, their the thugs but it's OK because they wear suits.

All that said what struck me the most was seeing Union Jacks and the Irish tricolours side by side in Belfast. Unionists and Loyalists side by side demonstrating against immigration. Good luck to Starmer sorting that one out if Loyalists and Unionists stand side by side and put a proper show of strength out against illegal immigration. I hope they do.
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Michael5482 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:56 am
It's no surprise the vast majority of riots have been in the north, I live in the north and we've been shat on by the Tory's and now Labour. People were told vote for change and 2 weeks in they voted to keep the 2 child benefit and then removed the winter fuel allowance for pensioners (they spent 14 years slagging the Tory's off on poverty and created more) whilst still spending 8 million a day on migrants in hotels who are unvetted and left to wander the streets and people have had enough. People have had genuine concerns but Starmer then labels them all as far right thugs which was a red rag to a bull.

Was there an undercurrent of hooligans, criminals involved of course there was but by and large the feeling is people in the north are seeing through the political lies we are sold the stabbings were just the catalyst and was unfortunately it was this that lit the tinder box that has been simmering for years.

Mass immigration has been forced on the north and by and large Hindus, Sikhs, Blacks have integrated well however Muslims have created ghettos forcing British people out of certain areas, failed to integrate trying to force Islamists ways in areas as well as police cover ups with grooming gangs etc Two tier policing is evident including the other week in Leeds when immigrants rioted and the police stood by and watched, this gave the green light that rioting was OK. I've seen videos of Muslims now hunting white British people and a police officer telling Muslims to put weapons back in a mosque (wtf by the way) but not seen any of this on the mainstream news 2 tier reporting as well as policing. The reason the Government don't like social media is everyone sees the full picture and their narrative cannot be controlled like when they roll an MP out to do the rounds every morning on Sky, BBC etc to tell us bollocks.

There's a big demo in Newcastle next Saturday, the north-east will put out another show of strength, I'll be there with my fellow far-right Brits that Starmer has labeled us as. Fuck Starmer and Fuck the Government.

The Government has lost control of our Borders and the streets, their the thugs but it's OK because they wear suits.

All that said what struck me the most was seeing Union Jacks and the Irish tricolours side by side in Belfast. Unionists and Loyalists side by side demonstrating against immigration. Good luck to Starmer sorting that one out if Loyalists and Unionists stand side by side and put a proper show of strength out against illegal immigration. I hope they do.
Great post, excellent post
Unfortunately, many cannot see what you're seeing. They don't like uncomfortable truths. That fella Derek27 is one of them
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ForFolksSake
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LeTiss wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:03 am
Michael5482 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:56 am
It's no surprise the vast majority of riots have been in the north, I live in the north and we've been shat on by the Tory's and now Labour. People were told vote for change and 2 weeks in they voted to keep the 2 child benefit and then removed the winter fuel allowance for pensioners (they spent 14 years slagging the Tory's off on poverty and created more) whilst still spending 8 million a day on migrants in hotels who are unvetted and left to wander the streets and people have had enough. People have had genuine concerns but Starmer then labels them all as far right thugs which was a red rag to a bull.

Was there an undercurrent of hooligans, criminals involved of course there was but by and large the feeling is people in the north are seeing through the political lies we are sold the stabbings were just the catalyst and was unfortunately it was this that lit the tinder box that has been simmering for years.

Mass immigration has been forced on the north and by and large Hindus, Sikhs, Blacks have integrated well however Muslims have created ghettos forcing British people out of certain areas, failed to integrate trying to force Islamists ways in areas as well as police cover ups with grooming gangs etc Two tier policing is evident including the other week in Leeds when immigrants rioted and the police stood by and watched, this gave the green light that rioting was OK. I've seen videos of Muslims now hunting white British people and a police officer telling Muslims to put weapons back in a mosque (wtf by the way) but not seen any of this on the mainstream news 2 tier reporting as well as policing. The reason the Government don't like social media is everyone sees the full picture and their narrative cannot be controlled like when they roll an MP out to do the rounds every morning on Sky, BBC etc to tell us bollocks.

There's a big demo in Newcastle next Saturday, the north-east will put out another show of strength, I'll be there with my fellow far-right Brits that Starmer has labeled us as. Fuck Starmer and Fuck the Government.

The Government has lost control of our Borders and the streets, their the thugs but it's OK because they wear suits.

All that said what struck me the most was seeing Union Jacks and the Irish tricolours side by side in Belfast. Unionists and Loyalists side by side demonstrating against immigration. Good luck to Starmer sorting that one out if Loyalists and Unionists stand side by side and put a proper show of strength out against illegal immigration. I hope they do.
Great post, excellent post
Unfortunately, many cannot see what you're seeing. They don't like uncomfortable truths. That fella Derek27 is one of them
+ sionscaig, greenmark,
Brilliant post btw
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