The Situation Room

[Michael5482]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

[ForFolksSake]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

There are many thousands of sympathisers who support what is going on.
We should all be out organizing 'collections' to pay their fines.
'Help The Rioters' defenders of our Country should be the slogan

[Derek27]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

We're not talking about people who got "a bit carried away" or pushing wheelie bins over. We're talking about throwing bricks, which could potentially land on somebody's head and cause serious brain damage, setting fire to buildings with people inside, mindlessly smashing windows and vandalising cars. You may feel differently if it was your car or house!

I'm afraid paying tax is not a licence to commit crime or a get out of jail card.

[Derek27]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

There are many thousands of sympathisers who support what is going on.
We should all be out having 'collections' to pay their fines.
'Help The Rioters' defenders of our Country should be the slogan

They won't have fines to pay, they'll be getting banged up.

[Michael5482]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

There are many thousands of sympathisers who support what is going on.
We should all be out having 'collections' to pay their fines.
'Help The Rioters' defenders of our Country should be the slogan

I'm not supporting their actions what I'm saying is jailing everyone left right and centre has further consequences, it won't work and is proven not to work and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentlty addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

[ForFolksSake]

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

There are many thousands of sympathisers who support what is going on.
We should all be out having 'collections' to pay their fines.
'Help The Rioters' defenders of our Country should be the slogan

I'm not supporting their actions what I'm saying is jailing everyone left right and centre has further consequences, it won't work and is proven not to work and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentlty addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

I'm not supporting their actions

If we are not supporting/defending their actions we might as well give up and the Government has won.
The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

[sionascaig]

..... and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentality addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

+1

Unfortunately I think the political message has been lost / high-jacked by the bigots, racists, those looking to get a high from terrorising women & children & push whatever hate-filled agenda they have.

[Derek27]

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

That wasn't a catalyst, it was an excuse.

[Derek27]

The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

In case you're not aware, the government has recently changed. Are you talking about the one that's been in power for a month, or the one that's run the country for 14 years?

[ForFolksSake]

..... and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentality addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

+1

Unfortunately I think the political message has been lost / high-jacked by the bigots, racists, those looking to get a high from terrorising women & children & push whatever hate-filled agenda they have.

Unfortunately I think the political message has been lost

Exactly, the Government are not listening

[jimibt]

guys, sorry can't add much to the discussion today, too busy on EURUSD and XAUUSD. i'm sure my input won't be missed tho.

Archery, hope the night out went well, look fwd to an update and food review.

take care all...

[ForFolksSake]

The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

In case you're not aware, the government has recently changed. Are you talking about the one that's been in power for a month, or the one that's run the country for 14 years?

Both, they are as bad as each other when it comes to dealing with illegal immigration

[ForFolksSake]

guys, sorry can't add much to the discussion today, too busy on EURUSD and XAUUSD. i'm sure my input won't be missed tho.

Archery, hope the night out went well, look fwd to an update and food review.

take care all...

sorry can't add much to the discussion today

That's ok, catch up later

[Michael5482]

A builder's the first to be convicted, and he's held in custody until sentencing. Somebody's going to have an unfinished extension!

tbh whilst banging everyone in jail maybe funny for you, think of the consequences of who are they releasing to make way for someone pushing a wheelie bin over, or a builder who probably had a few n got a bit carried away to make a political point?

I've been in jail it's not punishment there full of crime and planning ground for more crime on the outside. I was only in for a short while but it just builds up more resentment in people because they treat people like absolute crap inside again people will say good who cares but re-offending is through the roof.

When people come out, there's under resourced rehabilitation/employment support and a lot enter the benefits/social housing system as a result. Who pays for all this? The tax payer pays, plus when you jail someone who pays NI and Tax your taking revenue out the system so I don't understand peoples logic at laughing at having to stump even more money up time and time again instead of looking the root problem of rehabilitation and treatment in prison. Just banging people up left right and centre doesn't work and never has done, look at Scandinavia they've absolutely nailed it.

I do agree some crimes are that heinous that life in prison for peodo's, murderers rapists, terrorists I'd go as far capital punishment, I agree some crimes over the last week deserve jail but should we be remanding/jailing people for pushing wheelie bins over, shouting a few verbals, posting on facebook? I don't think so fine them, put a tag on them along with a curfew so they can get back to work.

We're not talking about people who got "a bit carried away" or pushing wheelie bins over. We're talking about throwing bricks, which could potentially land on somebody's head and cause serious brain damage, setting fire to buildings with people inside, mindlessly smashing windows and vandalising cars. You may feel differently if it was your car or house!

I'm afraid paying tax is not a licence to commit crime or a get out of jail card.

Were talking about all crimes here what I'm saying here is all the offences don't deserve jail and see absolutely no value in it nor making fun of it because there is none in. The builder you talk of kicked a riot shield onto a police officers leg and a bit of verbals jail for that is a bit OTT but throwing bricks, setting fire property then yes jail.

Some crimes a more are less serious than others but the Government is intent on treating them all the same and that's a dangerous president to set, when this is over people will expect jail for everything and people may champion that but for the reason's I've highlighted jail does not work. I think a lot won't get jail tbh the sentencing guidelines will dictate that not the Government. I see the judge in the builders case has asked for a pre-sentencing report so they'll be mitigating factors, this will be the case in most.

For a Socialist Government they seem to be spouting rather totalitarian rhetoric at the moment. Starmer is backing himself into a corner here and alienating himself form people on both sides whatever your opinion is. NI looks like a powder keg as well.

[Michael5482]

There are many thousands of sympathisers who support what is going on.
We should all be out having 'collections' to pay their fines.
'Help The Rioters' defenders of our Country should be the slogan

I'm not supporting their actions what I'm saying is jailing everyone left right and centre has further consequences, it won't work and is proven not to work and cannot understand laughing at it or daft slogans like "Help the Rioters" neither fundamentlty addresses anything.

I support the political message behind the protests which for me are long running manifestations of immigration legal and legal forced on everyone along with social inequality especially in the north and as I've said its no coincidence most of it's in the north.

The sad thing in all this is the catalyst was the murder of children who seem to have been forgotten.

I'm not supporting their actions

If we are not supporting/defending their actions we might as well give up and the Government has won.
The Government are totally to blame for this situation and be it on their heads

You need co-ordinated, organised protests in every town and every city. The problem is there's no one central organisation pushing the fundamental message it's all to fractured and possibly lost in the violence.

Yes the Governments are to blame Labour for allowing freedom of movement without the country's authority, the Tory's for not reversing it and indeed making it worse and now Starmer for calling everyone a far right racist while still not addressing the elephant in the room which is mass immigration.

Starmer can start to end all this now by sending everyone in hotels back to France or their native country and anyone coming here in a boat will be sent back to France.