Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[firlandsfarm]

Labour lied during the election.

Honestly did you expect anything different? I feel sorry for the mugs who fell for it and voted for them ... they are suddenly realising they have another 4+ years to remind them how gullible they were.

I resent these words from firlandsfarm, churlish, possibly if not probably designed to ignite a new forum toxic squabble. Calling me and others a mug

Well I resent your words Emmson. Yet again we have an accusation not supported by the actual words. I don't see that I called you a mug but if you misconstrewed my comments as a personal insult I sympathise with your error. And my comment was not "designed to ignite a new forum toxic squabble", it was simply in support of Archery's comment as should have been clearly obvious and visible. Anyway if my comment was wrongly interpreted and as a result caused offence I again apologise but I'm used to such these days ... I blame the overly sensitive woke culture that has crept into society.

And now we move into the world of clairvoyance! ...

I resent these words from firlandsfarm, churlish, possibly if not probably designed to ignite a new forum toxic squabble. Calling me and others a mug

+1 agreed. yesterday when I posted the OBR piece, I let the many deceits that followed my post rest. However, you can see that the FF are not gonna let a little bit of truth get in the way of a bit of divide and conquer.

To even start calling labour voters mugs and whatever other filth must have been typed and removed before posting just shows what the jackboot brigade really think about anyone that doesn't follow their ideology, no matter how much of a sh!t-show the past 14 years were. of course, we'll next be hearing about being handed it from the previous labour govt and world events all conspiring to make the jackboots' job all but impossible..

anyway, like you, feel this individual is just an agitator looking for a response (alas, which we've given him/her or whatever pronoun they prefer).

I repeat I didn't call Labour voters "mugs" and have explained that in another post but as you say you "are not gonna let a little bit of truth get in the way of a bit of divide and conquer"!

But the real clairvoyance comes in "whatever other filth must [my emphasis] have been typed and removed before posting just shows what the jackboot brigade really think about anyone that doesn't follow their ideology". Pray do tell me what I typed and removed? Do we have a computer security issue here? Should I report the security breach to BA? A security breach whereby a third party has access to content that another forum member typed but did not post is very serious. I think it should be seriously investigated and if someone has breached the Forum's security surely they should be banned forever to protect all others.

[firlandsfarm]

I was referring to those who were taken in by the "we can solve all problems immediately" rhetoric.

I spend a lot of time listening to the news, as you know, and I've never heard that line. Quite the opposite, it will take time, there is no quick fix to the mess we'll be left in, etc.

Yes, yours is probably more accurate and mine poorly worded but the general momentum of Labour's campaign was 'no problem too big' (note, single quotes ) without the use of "immediately". They gave the impression they would right all our wrongs and do it without costing working people anything. Let's wait and see shall we.

[sionascaig]

https://x.com/StephenFlynnSNP/status/18 ... 7539176626

Maybe no need to be overly worried about labour if you are of conservative tendencies )

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[firlandsfarm]

What is Starmer’s excuse for labelling white rioters as “far right thugs” but not applying any such label to ‘Muslim rioters’ in Leeds and more recently Birmingham.

Why did the police act aggressively to the white rioters but step back from the Muslim rioters in Leeds and could not even be bothered to attend at the Birmingham riot where innocent pub goers had to board themselves into the pub for their safety. And how about arresting those speeding around the roundabout … don’t tell me, I guess they will say the No. plate was out of focus!

The test is would the police reaction in both the Leeds and Birmingham riots have been the same if the participants were changed? I doubt it!

[Archery1969]

What is Starmer’s excuse for labelling white rioters as “far right thugs” but not applying any such label to ‘Muslim rioters’ in Leeds and more recently Birmingham.

Why did the police act aggressively to the white rioters but step back from the Muslim rioters in Leeds and could not even be bothered to attend at the Birmingham riot where innocent pub goers had to board themselves into the pub for their safety. And how about arresting those speeding around the roundabout … don’t tell me, I guess they will say the No. plate was out of focus!

The test is would the police reaction in both the Leeds and Birmingham riots have been the same if the participants were changed? I doubt it!

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

[ForFolksSake]

What is Starmer’s excuse for labelling white rioters as “far right thugs” but not applying any such label to ‘Muslim rioters’ in Leeds and more recently Birmingham.

Why did the police act aggressively to the white rioters but step back from the Muslim rioters in Leeds and could not even be bothered to attend at the Birmingham riot where innocent pub goers had to board themselves into the pub for their safety. And how about arresting those speeding around the roundabout … don’t tell me, I guess they will say the No. plate was out of focus!

The test is would the police reaction in both the Leeds and Birmingham riots have been the same if the participants were changed? I doubt it!

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

Muslim police officer t

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

[Archery1969]

What is Starmer’s excuse for labelling white rioters as “far right thugs” but not applying any such label to ‘Muslim rioters’ in Leeds and more recently Birmingham.

Why did the police act aggressively to the white rioters but step back from the Muslim rioters in Leeds and could not even be bothered to attend at the Birmingham riot where innocent pub goers had to board themselves into the pub for their safety. And how about arresting those speeding around the roundabout … don’t tell me, I guess they will say the No. plate was out of focus!

The test is would the police reaction in both the Leeds and Birmingham riots have been the same if the participants were changed? I doubt it!

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

Muslim police officer t

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

[ForFolksSake]

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

Muslim police officer t

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I'm gobsmacked'

What a F*Kn completely and utterly farcical situation our politicians have got this country in

[greenmark]

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I'm gobsmacked'

What a F*Kn completely and utterly farcical situation this country has got itself into

Impressive level of incoherence there. Why are you gobsmacked and what is the farcical situation you refer to (but don't describe in any way)?

[ForFolksSake]

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I'm gobsmacked'

What a F*Kn completely and utterly farcical situation this country has got itself into

Impressive level of incoherence there. Why are you gobsmacked and what is the farcical situation you refer to (but don't describe in any way)?

Impressive level of incoherence there

You do seem a bit ' thick'.

Its like having both a French Referee and an English Referee together refereeing a France v England soccer match

[ForFolksSake]

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

Muslim police officer t

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

But if they are part of the British army why wouldn't they be ?

[ForFolksSake]

Yeah, on this one I have to agree, there’s a video on YouTube of a Muslim police officer telling Muslims if you have weapons then get rid of them. There in a public place so why weren’t the new stop and search rules applied and they all arrested ?

Muslim police officer t

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

But if they are part of the British army why wouldn't they be ?

[Archery1969]

And there's the problem

I wonder if there are many Muslim's in the British Army ?

Who are they going to be firing the rubber bullets at ?

What a F*Kn mess

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

But if they are part of the British army why wouldn't they be ?

1. I dont know how many of those Muslims are part of any infantry regiments.
2. Those in charge might think deploying any of them might cause added confrontations.

However, soldiers are not police officers. They follow orders more so than a police officer would. If they dont then they can get into serious trouble and dont have the luxuary of being part of any union to argue their case.

I dont know what orders the soldiers would be given. They dont have the power of arrest, not even a citizens arrest type argument.

They will probably be given very long truncheons, told to move forward and move anything in their way. They wont care if your White, Black, Asian, Indian, Pakistani, Young, Old, Have 1 Arm or 1 Leg. You will be moved out of the way however they decide.

[Archery1969]

Its very unlikely that the British Army would be deployed to confront rioters directly.

If truck loads of soldiers turned up, with rifles or truncheons then i suspect most rioters would think twice and probably run away.

It has been a couple of hundred years since British forces were last required to “read the riot act” (literally) and quell civilian riots, usually with bloodshed and abiding notoriety. Such instances included the anti-Catholic Gordon riots of 1780 and the massacre of political protesters at St George’s Fields, south London, in 1768, and again at “Peterloo” in Manchester in 1819. But that was before Britain developed a formal police force. Anyway, the Riot Act of 1714 was repealed in 1973. Probably just as well.

However, they might be deployed in a support type role, like helping to block people entering offices and hotels while the Police are then free to charge and arrest people. The police cant protect these places and at the same time try and arrest people easily, they dont have the numbers.

More to the point, the army doesn’t have the skills to deal with low-level, though serious, civil disturbances such as these, and the lethal use of weaponry would be a grave matter indeed – soldiers should not be put in the position of having to fire on unarmed British civilians. It would only take one panicked squaddie to inflict a tragedy on a nation. Even a limited deployment would inevitably politicise the army and militarise the riots, escalating tensions in unpredictable ways.

[ForFolksSake]

Out of 88,500 Armed Forces personnel, 480 are Muslim. So, not many.

Obviously, with any large entity, there will always be racists of some sort.

This case (not Muslim) was rather shocking but no surprise really from my past experience.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o

So, I don't think you need to worry about Muslims firing rubber bullets at anyone. I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

I very much doubt any Muslims would be deployed onto UK streets.

But if they are part of the British army why wouldn't they be ?

1. I dont know how many of those Muslims are part of any infantry regiments.
2. Those in charge might think deploying any of them might cause added confrontations.

However, soldiers are not police officers. They follow orders more so than a police officer would. If they dont then they can get into serious trouble and dont have the luxuary of being part of any union to argue their case.

I dont know what orders the soldiers would be given. They dont have the power of arrest, not even a citizens arrest type argument.

They will probably be given very long truncheons, told to move forward and move anything in their way. They wont care if your White, Black, Asian, Indian, Pakistani, Young, Old, Have 1 Arm or 1 Leg. You will be moved out of the way however they decide.

told to move forward and move anything in their way

They might be told to do those things you mention but what will there consciences tell/allow them to do ?

God help us all if Israel v Iran escalates and the British Army get sucked in.
Are the British muslim soldiers going to be told to move forward and kick those Israeli and Irani arses ?