Question around using Stored Values to Influence the Stake Placed

[smgreyuk]

Hi,

My question is based on the following values:

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Here I am using one of Dallas' Market P/L Stored Values to give me the outcome of each Greyhound Race.

What I would like to do is to set a counter somewhere that counts the amount of negative results and I would then like to determine what stake is placed for the next race based on how many are loses in a row.

Please correct me if I am wrong but I would think along the lines of possibly:

1. Storing each Market P/L value in a history list for when each race is complete and then
2. Using the history list in a csv excel file to make up the counter in one cell (not sure if this can be done in any excel file, or I would need to use the standardized bet angel excel templates, but if so where could I even do that in those templates?),
3. Then storing that dynamic number to another stored value (I have seen a post that is a line in excel to store values from spreadsheets and then this can be used in rules)
4. Editing the file I have to do the exact same thing as it does now (it's a dutching for 2 dog faves based on odds, not every race is selected) however, when that new stored value counter is say 0 (as in 0 loses in a row) then stake £1 for example for the next selected race, when the stored value is 1 (1 loss in a row) then stake £3 again for example on the next selected race and so on, so just multiple rules will be exactly the same apart from the stake being used and a new condition that looks at the new counter stored value

I did try to do step 1 but it didn't seem to let me select the "Market P/L" Stored Value when selecting the history list

Again, not sure if step 2 is do-able in my own potential personal spreadsheet that is just dedicated to using a bit of excel formulae to make up the counter value of loses.

Once I have that counter variable set up, I am fairly confident about setting up step 4

Am I on the right lines? Could someone possibly give me a working step by step way of doing this? History Lists may not be able to be used in this way (even if I did know how to set them up)- There may be an easier way of setting up the list to have a dynamic counter used

N.B.
I imagine I will get users telling me not to bother with progressive betting systems as they are bad idea, but I have looked at the possibilities of getting x amount of loses in a row based on what my rule selects for the odds of the dogs and knowing the appropriate balance to cover eventualities - I know freak outcomes happen (40 reds in a row in roulette etc) and there is no memory from one race to the next but my approach is based on like hood of x amount of loses and mine is rare but not impossible for it to hit 11 in a row (about 1 in a million of it happening, based on the homework I have done, so the wins should outweigh the loses)

[smgreyuk]

Okay maybe I asked too much, I'll keep it to a simple question for now.

Does anyone know where I can access History Lists?

I think I have the file setup to add to "History List 1" but I cannot seem to access this actual list anywhere.

I asked the AI support but it's only telling me how to store values to it, not how to actually see and use the history list...

[jamesedwards]

People will generally frown upon this request because it's almost always a fallacy to assume a win or loss becomes more likely based on previous results.

But it's relatively easy to achieve by adding a stored value to your existing rulesfile that stores at Bet Angel level keeping a count of wins vs losses. Then you can use this stored value to configure your stake for the next market.

eg:
race 1, if the P&L is >0 then "SV" = "SV" + 1
race 2, if the P&L is <0 then "SV" = "SV" - 1

[smgreyuk]

Hi, thank you

Is this the right way to do it?

I first store the P/L like so?

Screenshot 2024-10-10 041430.png

But I then don't know where the

"race 1, if the P&L is >0 then "SV" = "SV" + 1 (I'll actually reset to zero in this eventually)
race 2, if the P&L is <0 then "SV" = "SV" - 1"

bit goes ???

Would it be somewhere here:

Screenshot 2024-10-10 041846.png

[jamesedwards]

If you want to keep a running total of your P&L then you need to first set a new SV at Bet Angel level to 0, perhaps called "Cum_Market_P&L". Then under where you create the "Market_P&L" SV do the following:

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[jamesedwards]

If you want a count of number of profits - losses then you need to first set a new SV at Bet Angel level to 0, perhaps called "Counter".

Then do the following to increase count,

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and vice versa to decrease count.

[smgreyuk]

Thank you ever so much, here is what I have gone with:

Dutch Favourite 2 with 2.0 to 5.0.baf

It hasn't had chance to trigger yet. but logically I feel this should work, what do you think?

[jamesedwards]

Thank you ever so much, here is what I have gone with:

Dutch Favourite 2 with 2.0 to 5.0.baf

It hasn't had chance to trigger yet. but logically I feel this should work, what do you think?

You need to initially set "Counter" to zero somewhere, or the [Counter = Counter + 1] won't work. The best way to do this is create another line that sets "Counter" to 0 on the condition that "Counter" has not been set with a value.

You need to tick the "allow trigger when market suspended" box on the general tab as the "Market_P&L" SV won't become available until the market closes.

Presumably you have another rulefile live that creates the SV "Market_P&L"?

[smgreyuk]

Thank you so much:

Dutch Favourite 2 with 2.0 to 5.0.baf

I have now done what you said by initialling the counter to zero with the condition you detailed

I have also ticked "allow trigger when market suspended" box on all rules

Yes "Market_P&L" is calculated by another rule running called "Display Name of Winner with P&L"


i have also incldued a rule that puts "Market_P&L" into another SV called "P+L" for when "Market_P&L" is NOT zero and I have then pointed the increment of the counter and the reset of the counter to this new "P+L". The reason being is that "Market_P&L" calculates zeros for when my own rule is not triggered:


so by doing this, my rule then ignores races with 0 "Market_P&L" and won't update the Counter SV

Screenshot 2024-10-10 151443.png

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Hopefully this works. What do you think? (I have put a "Counter" column in the main display to see if the SV Counter is behaving - Hopefully the rule will trigger correctly shown with the desired behaviour)

I can only thank you for your help with all of this

[jamesedwards]

Remove the store P+L line. It's not needed. Keep it as it was before, <£0 will trigger on a loss, >£0 will trigger on a win. £0 won't trigger either of them.

[smgreyuk]

Okay done ( I have set the increment and reset back to the "Market_P&L" SV)

Dutch Favourite 2 with 2.0 to 5.0.baf

There is a race at Crayford in 4 minutes that should trigger, so if it doesn't trigger, there is still something wrong, I'll keep an eye on it

[jamesedwards]

Okay done ( I have set the increment and reset back to the "Market_P&L" SV)

Dutch Favourite 2 with 2.0 to 5.0.baf

There is a race at Crayford in 4 minutes that should trigger, so if it doesn't trigger, there is still something wrong, I'll keep an eye on it

This needs to be set to Bet Angel level.

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[smgreyuk]

Ah okay, update done.

The next race I expect a trigger is at 17:12 so fingers crossed …

[smgreyuk]

Nope, no joy with the current setup.

I’ve noticed the Counter Column is still NULL rather than zero, I wonder if the trigger time is wrong for the Initialised rule perhaps? I’ve got it sent for in play…

[jamesedwards]

Greyhound races don't ever go into play so it wont ever trigger.

Change the three new lines to trigger once, always armed.