Israel/Palestine conflict

[greenmark]

I'm a bit concerned about it all.

Most people probably are, those that have time to check up on news!

I was feeling anxious for a few days when Ukraine was invaded, as it felt familiar, but luckily hedonic treadmill is a thing. It allows you to gradually adapt to the circumstances and normalize your emotional response. I still keep tabs but for different reasons as I'm a history buff.

It can make for interesting discussion though, but I personally don't see the value in being glued to news screens over things you have zero control over.

Like I've said before, my mantra has always been if the news is important enough, the shockwave blast will reach me anyway

MOSSAD

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/m ... 87266.html

Lol. Not having a pop here but that made me chuckle.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ron+man ... goBts,st:0

MOSSAD aaaaargh, isn't it?
Grown men slaughtering each other. Why? Why not back off and look at how you could live alongside each other.
Just look at the carnage the inability to compromise has produced.
It puts your head in your hands. Doesn't it? Mmmm?

[ForFolksSake]

Most people probably are, those that have time to check up on news!

I was feeling anxious for a few days when Ukraine was invaded, as it felt familiar, but luckily hedonic treadmill is a thing. It allows you to gradually adapt to the circumstances and normalize your emotional response. I still keep tabs but for different reasons as I'm a history buff.

It can make for interesting discussion though, but I personally don't see the value in being glued to news screens over things you have zero control over.

Like I've said before, my mantra has always been if the news is important enough, the shockwave blast will reach me anyway

MOSSAD

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/m ... 87266.html

Lol. Not having a pop here but that made me chuckle.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ron+man ... goBts,st:0

MOSSAD aaaaargh, isn't it?
Grown men slaughtering each other. Why? Why not back off and look at how you could live alongside each other.
Just look at the carnage the inability to compromise has produced.
It puts your head in your hands. Doesn't it? Mmmm?

Makes you wonder what 'surprise' Israel is planning in response to Iran missile attack

[Archery1969]

MOSSAD

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/m ... 87266.html

Lol. Not having a pop here but that made me chuckle.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ron+man ... goBts,st:0

MOSSAD aaaaargh, isn't it?
Grown men slaughtering each other. Why? Why not back off and look at how you could live alongside each other.
Just look at the carnage the inability to compromise has produced.
It puts your head in your hands. Doesn't it? Mmmm?

Makes you wonder what 'surprise' Israel is planning in response to Iran missile attack

There was a meeting yesterday between the leaders of Iran, Turkey and Russia. The official statement was the meeting was about further economic ties. Unofficially Turkey paid the final instalment for 300 S-400s surface to air missiles after Turkey, a NATO country was excluded from purchasing the USA made F35 advanced fighter jets. Turkey also agreed to push ahead with joint development of the Russian S-500s which it has now taken 5 battery’s worth. Russia has also signed a deal with Iran to supply them with the S-400 missile defence system. Not confirmed but an Iranian official said they already have them. But the latter is not confirmed.

[Archery1969]

O dear, depending on the next US president, it could all go pear shape towards Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hezbo ... e-12978800

[GaryCook]

O dear, depending on the next US president, it could all go pear shape towards Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hezbo ... e-12978800

TBH, I think the only reasons most western countries are even saying anything is because if they didn't it would look weird to their populace. Israel practically has carte blanche to do anything it wants it seems. Again not really commenting on the in relation to a Oct 7th response. They were going to be one but it's been handled horrifically. IMO.

I wouldn't just trust Russia If I were Iran personally. I mean some of course but it's a lot to trust their probably Russian-manned AA. When the missiles come in they could find them disabled for example. Who knows.

Russia is very Orthodox and there is obviously connections to Israel like that since Judaism is essentially the master religion in the Abrahamic world. I would be surprised for example if Iran was winning a ground invasion that would be supported.

Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but some of these situations almost seem like a controlled demolition of nations using an East/West pincer movement.

Also, on a more basic level, where relations between USA and Russia is so poor because of the Ukraine conflict, having Russian troops in Iran that could be killed seems like a really unstable situation generally.

*Edit. Just for the record. I think spiritual connections between nations have prevented wars as well as having led to them.

[greenmark]

O dear, depending on the next US president, it could all go pear shape towards Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hezbo ... e-12978800

TBH, I think the only reasons most western countries are even saying anything is because if they didn't it would look weird to their populace. Israel practically has carte blanche to do anything it wants it seems. Again not really commenting on the in relation to a Oct 7th response. They were going to be one but it's been handled horrifically. IMO.

I wouldn't just trust Russia If I were Iran personally. I mean some of course but it's a lot to trust their probably Russian-manned AA. When the missiles come in they could find them disabled for example. Who knows.

Russia is very Orthodox and there is obviously connections to Israel like that since Judaism is essentially the master religion in the Abrahamic world. I would be surprised for example if Iran was winning a ground invasion that would be supported.

Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but some of these situations almost seem like a controlled demolition of nations using an East/West pincer movement.

Also, on a more basic level, where relations between USA and Russia is so poor because of the Ukraine conflict, having Russian troops in Iran that could be killed seems like a really unstable situation generally.

*Edit. Just for the record. I think spiritual connections between nations have prevented wars as well as having led to them.

You have to ask what on earth UN peacekeepers are doing there. Neither party is remotely interested in keeping the peace. They've been assaulting each other for years, it's now escalating. There is no peacekeeping to be done there.

[ForFolksSake]

O dear, depending on the next US president, it could all go pear shape towards Israel.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hezbo ... e-12978800

TBH, I think the only reasons most western countries are even saying anything is because if they didn't it would look weird to their populace. Israel practically has carte blanche to do anything it wants it seems. Again not really commenting on the in relation to a Oct 7th response. They were going to be one but it's been handled horrifically. IMO.

I wouldn't just trust Russia If I were Iran personally. I mean some of course but it's a lot to trust their probably Russian-manned AA. When the missiles come in they could find them disabled for example. Who knows.

Russia is very Orthodox and there is obviously connections to Israel like that since Judaism is essentially the master religion in the Abrahamic world. I would be surprised for example if Iran was winning a ground invasion that would be supported.

Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but some of these situations almost seem like a controlled demolition of nations using an East/West pincer movement.

Also, on a more basic level, where relations between USA and Russia is so poor because of the Ukraine conflict, having Russian troops in Iran that could be killed seems like a really unstable situation generally.

*Edit. Just for the record. I think spiritual connections between nations have prevented wars as well as having led to them.

You have to ask what on earth UN peacekeepers are doing there. Neither party is remotely interested in keeping the peace. They've been assaulting each other for years, it's now escalating. There is no peacekeeping to be done there.

About 10,000 peacekeepers from 50 countries are stationed in Lebanon, alongside around 800 civilian staff.

Since 1978, they have patrolled the area between the Litani River and the UN-recognised boundary between Lebanon and Israel, known as the "Blue Line".

But I agree they all need to get out of there as quick as f*ck as Israel are on a Mission

[greenmark]

TBH, I think the only reasons most western countries are even saying anything is because if they didn't it would look weird to their populace. Israel practically has carte blanche to do anything it wants it seems. Again not really commenting on the in relation to a Oct 7th response. They were going to be one but it's been handled horrifically. IMO.

I wouldn't just trust Russia If I were Iran personally. I mean some of course but it's a lot to trust their probably Russian-manned AA. When the missiles come in they could find them disabled for example. Who knows.

Russia is very Orthodox and there is obviously connections to Israel like that since Judaism is essentially the master religion in the Abrahamic world. I would be surprised for example if Iran was winning a ground invasion that would be supported.

Maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist but some of these situations almost seem like a controlled demolition of nations using an East/West pincer movement.

Also, on a more basic level, where relations between USA and Russia is so poor because of the Ukraine conflict, having Russian troops in Iran that could be killed seems like a really unstable situation generally.

*Edit. Just for the record. I think spiritual connections between nations have prevented wars as well as having led to them.

You have to ask what on earth UN peacekeepers are doing there. Neither party is remotely interested in keeping the peace. They've been assaulting each other for years, it's now escalating. There is no peacekeeping to be done there.

About 10,000 peacekeepers from 50 countries are stationed in Lebanon, alongside around 800 civilian staff.

Since 1978, they have patrolled the area between the Litani River and the UN-recognised boundary between Lebanon and Israel, known as the "Blue Line".

Didn't know that, thanks. Apologies for my ignorance.

[ForFolksSake]

You have to ask what on earth UN peacekeepers are doing there. Neither party is remotely interested in keeping the peace. They've been assaulting each other for years, it's now escalating. There is no peacekeeping to be done there.

About 10,000 peacekeepers from 50 countries are stationed in Lebanon, alongside around 800 civilian staff.

Since 1978, they have patrolled the area between the Litani River and the UN-recognised boundary between Lebanon and Israel, known as the "Blue Line".

Didn't know that, thanks. Apologies for my ignorance.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x977rmu

[greenmark]

About 10,000 peacekeepers from 50 countries are stationed in Lebanon, alongside around 800 civilian staff.

Since 1978, they have patrolled the area between the Litani River and the UN-recognised boundary between Lebanon and Israel, known as the "Blue Line".

Didn't know that, thanks. Apologies for my ignorance.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x977rmu

Thanks again. The detail in these situations is important but I don't get the wider picture yet. Quite why Netanyahu has gone totally OTT is mystifying. All he's doing is stoking the fires of Islamic hatred. Maybe he's thinking, well I cripple Hamas and Hezbollah and by the time they've recovered I'll be dead or somewhere they can't reach.

[Archery1969]

Didn't know that, thanks. Apologies for my ignorance.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x977rmu

Thanks again. The detail in these situations is important but I don't get the wider picture yet. Quite why Netanyahu has gone totally OTT is mystifying. All he's doing is stoking the fires of Islamic hatred. Maybe he's thinking, well I cripple Hamas and Hezbollah and by the time they've recovered I'll be dead or somewhere they can't reach.

He needs to do something as the moment he leaves office he be charged with corruption and face decades in prison. Not to mention I believe there is an international arrest warrant for him. The only place he could go would be Russia. Although under the circumstances maybe the USA will give him asylum.

[greenmark]

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x977rmu

Thanks again. The detail in these situations is important but I don't get the wider picture yet. Quite why Netanyahu has gone totally OTT is mystifying. All he's doing is stoking the fires of Islamic hatred. Maybe he's thinking, well I cripple Hamas and Hezbollah and by the time they've recovered I'll be dead or somewhere they can't reach.

He needs to do something as the moment he leaves office he be charged with corruption and face decades in prison. Not to mention I believe there is an international arrest warrant for him. The only place he could go would be Russia. Although under the circumstances maybe the USA will give him asylum.

I can't believe the avoidance of charges are behind what he's doing. I'm more and more disgusted that the rest of the world that have influence with Israel are sitting on their hands. It looks like the want Hamas and Hezbollah neutered and Israel is the perfect tool.

[ForFolksSake]

Didn't know that, thanks. Apologies for my ignorance.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x977rmu

Quite why Netanyahu has gone totally OTT is mystifying.

Oct 7th 2023 - last straw

[Archery1969]

Thanks again. The detail in these situations is important but I don't get the wider picture yet. Quite why Netanyahu has gone totally OTT is mystifying. All he's doing is stoking the fires of Islamic hatred. Maybe he's thinking, well I cripple Hamas and Hezbollah and by the time they've recovered I'll be dead or somewhere they can't reach.

He needs to do something as the moment he leaves office he be charged with corruption and face decades in prison. Not to mention I believe there is an international arrest warrant for him. The only place he could go would be Russia. Although under the circumstances maybe the USA will give him asylum.

I can't believe the avoidance of charges are behind what he's doing. I'm more and more disgusted that the rest of the world that have influence with Israel are sitting on their hands. It looks like the want Hamas and Hezbollah neutered and Israel is the perfect tool.

If he gets rid of Hamas and Hezbollah, more countries potentially will offer him safe passage. Which means he can escape corruption charges in Israel and the international arrest warrant being executed.

Don’t forget that the USA is not a member of the International Criminal Court, so they wouldn’t be obliged to arrest him. Plus they wouldn’t anyway, given the Jewish power and money in US politics.

The UK has no influence over Israel and the USA, very little. It’s not that long ago that Israel executed 4 people in a Saudi Arabia hotel by poisoning.

But ultimately, Israel doesn’t like Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and most others in the Middle East and vice versa. It’s always been a powder keg just waiting for a spark. You won’t solve it this year, next year or in another 1,000 years.

PS. Israel broke and still breaks international laws by occupying and expanding lands which are not theirs for settlements. But nobody did anything about it. They say God is on their side and it’s their lands.

[Archery1969]

Israel is fast becoming a scum bag shit country. Shooting 14 year olds playing football brings them down to the level of hamas.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

What a flipping shit show.