Anyone use Drone feed vs TPD?

[Brovashift]

Hi all,

Does anyone use both a drone feed (not reshare) and TPD??

I was just having a discussion this morning about the velocity data/chart and was wondering what/if there was any time lag between a drone feed and the TPD velocity chart. My guess was that the data would be delivered before any live pictures, particularly ATR tracks.

TIA

[jamesedwards]

My experience; TPD via BA 0.5s, Drone 0.5s, BFL RTV 0.5s, BFL ATR 1.5s.

[Rowers]

The drone feed is great for in-play traders, and it's fantastic that someone is teaching how to trade using it. It's obvious to most traders that you're not the only one using drones.

The drone feed provides a much better angle on RTV tracks and is essential for SKY tracks, given the huge delay there.

Euler promotes TPD because he's a coder, so that makes sense. However, TPD has errors and is a bit slower than the drone feed, even the reshared version, and you can't see much about the horses.

It does work well if you have more advanced code, but then again, many traders use the expensive 20ms GPS feed, which puts you at a disadvantage compared to them.

[Brovashift]

My experience; TPD via BA 0.5s, Drone 0.5s, BFL RTV 0.5s, BFL ATR 1.5s.

So not a lot then Thanks j

[Brovashift]

The drone feed is great for in-play traders, and it's fantastic that someone is teaching how to trade using it.

Thought this was going to be a plug then for Carl Traders new course

No thanks!

[Euler]

You get so much insight from TPD. Honestly, having seen drone pictures I think they are over rated.

It's quite easy to learn to race read, so it just becomes a process of who has the biggest balls, gets filled quickly and how far are you prepared to anticipate. It feels like a race to the bottom.

TPD gives you soooo much depth.

I am skewed by my own personal experience, but it's completely changed everything for me inplay.

[Rowers]

I agree, there's so much you can create with GPS data. But you need to be good at coding, backtest a lot, and what about the big errors GPS has at times?

Trading in-play and catching the price when the horses start to struggle is much easier, and the drone feed is a very useful tool.

[Brovashift]

You get so much insight from TPD. Honestly, having seen drone pictures I think they are over rated.

It's quite easy to learn to race read, so it just becomes a process of who has the biggest balls, gets filled quickly and how far are you prepared to anticipate. It feels like a race to the bottom.

TPD gives you soooo much depth.

I am skewed by my own personal experience, but it's completely changed everything for me inplay.

I have been contemplating TPD for a while now, and the thing that peeked my interest recently was the velocity charts highlighting jumping inefficiencies'. You can spot poor jumping to a certain degree with the naked eye, be it live feed or losing ground from a birds eye view on the drone. But the velocity data seems like it was indicating a drop in speed/momentum, which when only slight can be hard to noticed with the naked eye, but multiply that slight moment loss of several fences and the velocity data can build a mental picture of whats likely to happen in the business end of the race. If race reading is a race to the bottom then this extra information might help someone win that race, no?

(Edit: just realised what I wrote there. Not win a race to the bottom but not lose a race to the bottom!? A man of your calibre will know what I mean lol )

I happen to come across this when I saw the velocity charts in use, peeking my interest:
https://youtu.be/fb7vKxpfzTA?si=klrYqi8x__vB8Rg7

Over the past several weeks I have been reading old posts on the forum, really after you posted about Adam Heathcote, and reading old blogs via WebArchive, and see many of those traders are none existent now, the only traders who are still about are the ones who branched out and did something more than the norm. So Im always on the lookout for my own method of being better, faster, trying to think slightly outside the box... That also fits in with my own, I'll call it; "psychological limitations".

[Brovashift]

I agree, there's so much you can create with GPS data. But you need to be good at coding, backtest a lot, and what about the big errors GPS has at times?

Trading in-play and catching the price when the horses start to struggle is much easier, and the drone feed is a very useful tool.

I can code, but do you need to code with BA rules files?

Also, back testing in sports markets? Is that a good idea!?

[LinusP]

My experience; TPD via BA 0.5s, Drone 0.5s, BFL RTV 0.5s, BFL ATR 1.5s.

How are you calculating TPD BA? The feed from Betfair is about 50ms on my machines when using the TPD feed time, 500ms is a lifetime.

Also, back testing in sports markets? Is that a good idea!?

Yes.

[jamesedwards]

My experience; TPD via BA 0.5s, Drone 0.5s, BFL RTV 0.5s, BFL ATR 1.5s.

How are you calculating TPD BA? The feed from Betfair is about 50ms on my machines when using the TPD feed time, 500ms is a lifetime.

Yes, at 500ms TPD does feel slow compared to what I hoped I might get. The TPD website talks about 100ms latency for example.

Checking replays on my machine the winner usually crosses the line on TPD via BA pretty much exactly the same as they visually cross the line on BFL RTV. Therefore I've assumed 0.5s for both.

I've long wondered if there is an extra latency cost as data flows through BA. Are you taking a direct TPD feed from Betfair, or are you referring to via BA? Would be interested to compare what you get vs BFL compared to me. Let me know on here, or drop me a PM if you would rather.

[ForFolksSake]

My experience; TPD via BA 0.5s, Drone 0.5s, BFL RTV 0.5s, BFL ATR 1.5s.

How are you calculating TPD BA? The feed from Betfair is about 50ms on my machines when using the TPD feed time, 500ms is a lifetime.

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[tiyoun]

You get so much insight from TPD. Honestly, having seen drone pictures I think they are over rated.

It's quite easy to learn to race read, so it just becomes a process of who has the biggest balls, gets filled quickly and how far are you prepared to anticipate. It feels like a race to the bottom.

TPD gives you soooo much depth.

I am skewed by my own personal experience, but it's completely changed everything for me inplay.

I disagree with the drone take. My experience with drone feeds are that people are willing to smash the price up or down with no regard for value, as soon as they see the slightest signal for an entry from the horse. If you can combine race reading with roughly pricing up these scenarios in your head in a short time frame, there’s often value in being on the opposite side of the ladder to these players. I’ve found the general level of race reading quite poor from the speed merchants. Just my opinion.

[jamesedwards]

How are you calculating TPD BA? The feed from Betfair is about 50ms on my machines when using the TPD feed time, 500ms is a lifetime.

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[ForFolksSake]

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