Ukraine Crisis

[Frogmella]

Russia has amassed a force of 50,000 soldiers, including North Korean troops, to march on the Kursk region.



So wish I was 10 years younger.



Why won’t the west allow Ukraine to have the long range firepower, makes no sense why not too in my book ?

Because useless as they are, Western politicians don't want to commit suicide by risking direct military confrontation with Russia.

Russia CANNOT be defeated conventionally in a ground war by ANYBODY. They not only vastly outnumber the combined forces of NATO and have better weaponry, they also have an army of battle-hardened troops whereas NATO's new DEI forces haven't fought a first world army in.......ever. Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

So we don't fight Russia because 1.)They have more troops (e.g. Russia has 1.3 million the UK can field about 9000 combat troops). 2.) Their troops are battle-hardened ours are not. 3.) They are a first-world power with weapon systems to match, remember we couldn't defeat a few goat-herders in Afghanistan. 4.) Going nuclear would kill EVERYBODY, literally everybody.

Ukraine should surrender, give up the Eastern Russian-speaking territory in perpetuity and let us all get back to normal relations with Russia. Europe DESPERATELY NEEDS to restore Russian energy supplies because the German economy is collapsing and with it goes Europe.

[Derek27]

Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

[Archery1969]

Russia has amassed a force of 50,000 soldiers, including North Korean troops, to march on the Kursk region.



So wish I was 10 years younger.



Why won’t the west allow Ukraine to have the long range firepower, makes no sense why not too in my book ?

Because useless as they are, Western politicians don't want to commit suicide by risking direct military confrontation with Russia.

Russia CANNOT be defeated conventionally in a ground war by ANYBODY. They not only vastly outnumber the combined forces of NATO and have better weaponry, they also have an army of battle-hardened troops whereas NATO's new DEI forces haven't fought a first world army in.......ever. Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

So we don't fight Russia because 1.)They have more troops (e.g. Russia has 1.3 million the UK can field about 9000 combat troops). 2.) Their troops are battle-hardened ours are not. 3.) They are a first-world power with weapon systems to match, remember we couldn't defeat a few goat-herders in Afghanistan. 4.) Going nuclear would kill EVERYBODY, literally everybody.

Ukraine should surrender, give up the Eastern Russian-speaking territory in perpetuity and let us all get back to normal relations with Russia. Europe DESPERATELY NEEDS to restore Russian energy supplies because the German economy is collapsing and with it goes Europe.

Surrender ?

Glad you weren’t a politician during WW2 then.

Ukraine was invaded. They should not give up any land, not 1 yard in any negotiations.

Russia should be wiped off the global map. There’s a way to do it while limiting loses on the wests side.

[ForFolksSake]

Putin eyes four more countries to attack.

He has ambitions to restore the Russian Empire, with several additional targets in mind.

The Baltic states—Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia—as well as Moldova, are on Vladimir Putin’s radar

Putin wants Russia to be a superpower again.

[ForFolksSake]

Putin eyes four more countries to attack.

He has ambitions to restore the Russian Empire, with several additional targets in mind.

The Baltic states—Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia—as well as Moldova, are on Vladimir Putin’s radar

Putin wants Russia to be a superpower again.

If you don't like the 'destructive neoliberal ideological agenda' of the West then
Putin is Granting Residency to Foreigners Who Share ‘Traditional’ Russian Values

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/08/ ... ues-a86074

[Kai]

Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

Is he gonna pass that doobie or what

[conduirez]

Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

Is he gonna pass that doobie or what

I just laugh at statements which are akin to "Just wait until my mum comes here" : lol:

[Derek27]

Russian weapon systems are at least equivalent to and quite often are superior to NATO systems as we have seen.

Is he gonna pass that doobie or what

I had to look up doobie.

[Kai]

Is he gonna pass that doobie or what

I had to look up doobie.

You had to look up Jamie Carragher too

To be fair I had to look up Oliver Hardy as well.

Thought it was maybe UK slang in the 80s and 90s

[Archery1969]

I would remind everyone on this thread that its no joking manner.

Over 1 million have been killed or seriously injured on the battlefield, from both sides.

When this all started I suggested Putin be taken out and I got allot of condemnation.

Russia has 47 strategic targets at home and abroad. Take them out in a coordinated attack and the dominos will fall, well before anyone starts launching Nukes. That kind of planning and execution has been done before, some of you are either too young or have dementia.

Ukraine was invaded, pure and simple. Ukraine did not invade Russia or start this mindless slaughter.

Its common knowledge when the Upper (Federation Council, 178 members) and Lower (State Duma, 450 members) meet in Russia.

Like I said, take the 47 military targets, Federation Council and State Duma, out all at the same time. No need for Nukes, well planned, secret, conventional warheads from land, sea, air and space. Plus cut off worldwide communications for a few minutes. It can be done. Russians abroad, sympathetic to Putin and Russia, then, what the US did 40 years ago with the Japanese, rounded up and internment camps, deported back to the Motherland.

Ukraine, should not give up 1 inch of land.

[CloseBets]

Only a matter of time before Ukraine have to negotiate how much land they'll give up. The longer it goes on the more they'll have to concede, the west have pretty much forgotten about Ukraine with their own problems and won't keep coughing up arms when there's little to be gained for them.

[Kai]

I would remind everyone on this thread that its no joking manner.

It's definitely not, but would you really want others to ALSO take everything they read about war and disease at face value and then spread more fear and anxiety.

Don't know if you prefer realtalk or smalltalk.

When this all started I suggested Putin be taken out and I got allot of condemnation.

Realtalk, that's only because you'd get us all killed.

By seriously suggesting all these low % plays.

I mean, your solution to every problem is to murder it.

You must have sacrificed a lot to resort to these views, but surely you are glad there are cooler heads in charge of things.

Like, you may be happy laying 1.01 with your life's savings and hoping for the best but even as a trader you can imagine why others would be unhappy accepting those odds.

Ever played the board game Risk? With so much at stake surely the strategy of mitigating and minimizing risk is more sensible than amplifying and multiplying it.

I don't think you can criticize NATO's strategy much at all, looking at the overall result. We've been slowly dragging the conflict out, instead of quickly escalating it. As terrible as it sounds they’ve got the Russian army right where they want them, in the actual killzone, draining their manpower and resources plus buying time for others to prepare. This means the invaders are fully tied to the Ukrainian battlefield and aren’t off invading somewhere else, like the Baltics. The overall strategy seems to be working well, they're almost teasing Russia by giving them just enough incentive to keep coming.

And I'm not sure you would want the power vacuum with Putin gone either, it's a massive empire and this type of mess would likely be unquantifiable and uncontrollable, with breakaway regions or rogue generals and who know what, wielding nuclear arms as bargaining chips or selling off for personal profit etc.

It's a bit like in football, sometimes the best result for the overall league table is a draw? Also, historically, whenever war resorted to trench warfare you know where this ultimately led.

[ForFolksSake]

I would remind everyone on this thread that its no joking manner.

It's definitely not, but would you really want others to ALSO take everything they read about war and disease at face value and then spread more fear and anxiety.

Don't know if you prefer realtalk or smalltalk.

When this all started I suggested Putin be taken out and I got allot of condemnation.

Realtalk, that's only because you'd get us all killed.

By seriously suggesting all these low % plays.

I mean, your solution to every problem is to murder it.

You must have sacrificed a lot to resort to these views, but surely you are glad there are cooler heads in charge of things.

Like, you may be happy laying 1.01 with your life's savings and hoping for the best but even as a trader you can imagine why others would be unhappy accepting those odds.

Ever played the board game Risk? With so much at stake surely the strategy of mitigating and minimizing risk is more sensible than amplifying and multiplying it.

I don't think you can criticize NATO's strategy much at all, looking at the overall result. We've been slowly dragging the conflict out, instead of quickly escalating it. As terrible as it sounds they’ve got the Russian army right where they want them, in the actual killzone, draining their manpower and resources plus buying time for others to prepare. This means the invaders are fully tied to the Ukrainian battlefield and aren’t off invading somewhere else, like the Baltics. The overall strategy seems to be working well, they're almost teasing Russia by giving them just enough incentive to keep coming.

And I'm not sure you would want the power vacuum with Putin gone either, it's a massive empire and this type of mess would likely be unquantifiable and uncontrollable, with breakaway regions or rogue generals and who know what, wielding nuclear arms as bargaining chips or selling off for personal profit etc.

It's a bit like in football, sometimes the best result for the overall league table is a draw? Also, historically, whenever war resorted to trench warfare you know where this ultimately led.

https://x.com/DailyMirror/status/1787833384393187627

[Kai]

https://x.com/DailyMirror/status/1787833384393187627

[ForFolksSake]

https://x.com/DailyMirror/status/1787833384393187627

Nah, replace garden shed with one of these

https://www.subterraneanspaces.co.uk/nu ... ut-shelter