Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[sionascaig]

I would be more than happy to take the Conservative's record and divide it by 14 years and compare it with Labour's record so far divided by 5 months!

I like your style but no way am I falling into that trap !!!

Peace be with you...

[Archery1969]

Some Financial Economists are saying the next Budget will be worse than the last one as Government borrowing costs have spiked from £12 Billion to £18 Billion. If that continues, inflation rises, interest rates rise, unemployment rises, then it’s going to be more of the same for the next 2 years.

[firlandsfarm]

Yes & when the Trussell group (who issue over 3m food parcels a year) started to report the ever increasing number, certain Tories like Nadine Doris / Rees-Mogg (I think) threatened to have their charitable status removed.

Couldn't find anything on that via Google ... where does it come from?

[firlandsfarm]

I would be more than happy to take the Conservative's record and divide it by 14 years and compare it with Labour's record so far divided by 5 months!

I like your style but no way am I falling into that trap !!!

Peace be with you...

[sionascaig]

Yes & when the Trussell group (who issue over 3m food parcels a year) started to report the ever increasing number, certain Tories like Nadine Doris / Rees-Mogg (I think) threatened to have their charitable status removed.

Couldn't find anything on that via Google ... where does it come from?

Not the ones I was thinking of but some examples anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tory-split
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27783331

And apologies to Nadine & Rees-Mogg if they weren't involved but seem to distinctly remember they were...

[firlandsfarm]

Not the ones I was thinking of but some examples anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tory-split
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27783331

And apologies to Nadine & Rees-Mogg if they weren't involved but seem to distinctly remember they were...

Ahh there's the rub, I was looking for Dorries and Rees-Mogg. So you actually don't have anything in substantiation of the claim! That's how false rumours start.

[sionascaig]

Not the ones I was thinking of but some examples anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tory-split
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27783331

And apologies to Nadine & Rees-Mogg if they weren't involved but seem to distinctly remember they were...

Ahh there's the rub, I was looking for Dorries and Rees-Mogg. So you actually don't have anything in substantiation of the claim! That's how false rumours start.

Will its certainly not a rumour that "some" Tories wanted to remove the charitable status of "some" charities providing food banks.

And there's the rub, they think its "political" to point out how Gov austerity caused poverty, misery & hunger, mainly amongst women & children..

They were fine with charities picking up what should have been state responsibilities, just not allowed to talk about it in our Brexit Wonderland.

[firlandsfarm]

Not the ones I was thinking of but some examples anyway:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... tory-split
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27783331

And apologies to Nadine & Rees-Mogg if they weren't involved but seem to distinctly remember they were...

Ahh there's the rub, I was looking for Dorries and Rees-Mogg. So you actually don't have anything in substantiation of the claim! That's how false rumours start.

Will its certainly not a rumour that "some" Tories wanted to remove the charitable status of "some" charities providing food banks.

And there's the rub, they think its "political" to point out how Gov austerity caused poverty, misery & hunger, mainly amongst women & children..

They were fine with charities picking up what should have been state responsibilities, just not allowed to talk about it in our Brexit Wonderland.

OK but "some" and "some" are hardly definitive and precise.

I'm a little confused by the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of your last post. Can't understand why Conservatives would want to "point out how Gov austerity caused poverty, misery & hunger, mainly amongst women & children" seeing as "austerity" was a Conservative policy especially not senior Conservatives such as "Dorries and Rees-Mogg".

Many possible "state responsibilities" are picked up by charities ... Guide Dogs for the Blind, RNLI, British Heart Foundation, Macmillan Cancer Support and Royal British Legion (and many other veterans charities) to name a few. So are you expecting Labour to pick up those and more responsibilities?

[sionascaig]

OK but "some" and "some" are hardly definitive and precise.

The articles I linked above name some of the conservative politicians involved.

I'm a little confused by the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of your last post. Can't understand why Conservatives would want to "point out how Gov austerity caused poverty, misery & hunger, mainly amongst women & children" seeing as "austerity" was a Conservative policy especially not senior Conservatives such as "Dorries and Rees-Mogg".

Its the charities that were pointing the issues & the conservative politicians taking umbrage at the charities for pointing out increased use of foodbanks - claiming this was a "political" statement and as such a breach of charitable status.

Sorry, I thought the articles were clear on this.

Many possible "state responsibilities" are picked up by charities ... Guide Dogs for the Blind, RNLI, British Heart Foundation, Macmillan Cancer Support and Royal British Legion (and many other veterans charities) to name a few. So are you expecting Labour to pick up those and more responsibilities?

See above.. Think you have misunderstood what I said.

I would not expect labour to take up more responsibilities, their hands are full with the shambles the Tories have left the country in.

[firlandsfarm]

The articles I linked above name some of the conservative politicians involved.

Its the charities that were pointing the issues & the conservative politicians taking umbrage at the charities for pointing out increased use of foodbanks - claiming this was a "political" statement and as such a breach of charitable status.

Sorry, I thought the articles were clear on this.

See above.. Think you have misunderstood what I said.

I would not expect labour to take up more responsibilities, their hands are full with the shambles the Tories have left the country in.

Yes but they didn't name the ones you seem to have falsely accused but I can understand why you wanted to try and implicate senior politicians to add weight to your (false) claim!

I only scanned the articles ... it was your comment that seemed to be saying the opposite to what I think you meant.

So you are blaming the Conservatives for not taking up some responsibilities you claim they should have but not Labour for not doing so! I guess that's only to be expected from the Left. We already know that Labour don't consider themselves answerable to the same standards they accused the Conservatives of failing. And so far Labour are doing a pretty good job of creating a shambles ... have you looked at the headlines since they took power?

[sionascaig]

Yes but they didn't name the ones you seem to have falsely accused but I can understand why you wanted to try and implicate senior politicians to add weight to your (false) claim!

I only scanned the articles ... it was your comment that seemed to be saying the opposite to what I think you meant.

Jeez.. I think I used standard English...

I said "certain" Tory politicians "like" Dickwad 1 and Dickwad 2.... And then gave some examples...

The point is not "which" particular Tory idiot said it, but the fact that some Tory idiots said it and went on to attack charities handing out food parcels.

But if you want to ignore the BBC & Guardian articles so be it...

So you are blaming the Conservatives for not taking up some responsibilities you claim they should have but not Labour for not doing so! I guess that's only to be expected from the Left.

Nope, I didn't say that. And not quite sure what you achieve by just making stuff up.

Anyhow, just assume your apologies will be accepted in due course... Can we move on?

[jimibt]

Yes but they didn't name the ones you seem to have falsely accused but I can understand why you wanted to try and implicate senior politicians to add weight to your (false) claim!

I only scanned the articles ... it was your comment that seemed to be saying the opposite to what I think you meant.

Jeez.. I think I used standard English...

I said "certain" Tory politicians "like" Dickwad 1 and Dickwad 2.... And then gave some examples...

The point is not "which" a particular Tory idiot said it, but the fact that some Tory idiots said it and went on to attack charities handing out food parcels.

But if you want to ignore the BBC & Guardian articles so be it...

So you are blaming the Conservatives for not taking up some responsibilities you claim they should have but not Labour for not doing so! I guess that's only to be expected from the Left.

Nope, I didn't say that. And not quite sure what you achieve by just making stuff up.

Anyhow, just assume your apologies will be accepted in due course... Can we move on?

hoping this is a PM and not visible on the forum. the guy is just being a twat!!

[greenmark]

Thw whole premise of this thread is flawed.

Can't tell you the number of times I cut the Tory/Lib Dems slack.

They betrayed that tolerance.

You cannot ignore 14 years of power, including dictating to councils what they can spend and under resourcing the NHS and military.
Forget Brexit , internal tory squabbling. Forget Covid, unavoidable stress on any govt..
5 months doesn't correct the decade of incompetence.. The Tories are as guilty as a puppy next to a pile of poo. Only an idiot would suggest they did a good job.

[firlandsfarm]

[quote=greenmark post_id=368116 time=1732284848 Only an idiot would suggest they did a good job.
[/quote]
Not sure I’ve noticed anyone saying they did a good job. And find the citing of the Conservative’s failings an excuse for Labour’s unacceptable and chaotic start to their Governance amusing.

[Michael5482]

Thw whole premise of this thread is flawed.

Can't tell you the number of times I cut the Tory/Lib Dems slack.

They betrayed that tolerance.

You cannot ignore 14 years of power, including dictating to councils what they can spend and under resourcing the NHS and military.
Forget Brexit , internal tory squabbling. Forget Covid, unavoidable stress on any govt..
5 months doesn't correct the decade of incompetence.. The Tories are as guilty as a puppy next to a pile of poo. Only an idiot would suggest they did a good job.

The Tory's were a disgrace no question but they're no longer in power, Labour are. They've voted to keep policy's they spent 14 years arguing against (keeping the 2 child benefit cap being the stand out one), removed the winter fuel allowance which today Starmer has said "makes sense" while opening 14 new asylum seeker hotels for illegal immigrants who'll be tucked up nicely for Xmas while British people freeze and starve. These are choices Labour have made no one else and they need to be accountable.

Today we find out Labour are sending over 500 million to farmers abroad in banana republics while attacking British farmers for around the same amount of money.

I'm coming to the conclusion Labour hate British people they are imposing austerity 2.0 on British people.