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ForFolksSake
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:20 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:16 pm
Nothing will come off it obviously but appears to be gaining massive traction in such a short space of time, I read it as people just saying we've had enough of the political elite and Westminster politics. I genuinely think we are heading towards major civil unrest in the UK due to the continued negligence and oppression of British people. Politics has failed to move with the times and ignored the electorate for too long. Many MP's are way out of their depth and fail to put British people 1st. They've been told its racist, they've been told its discrimination, they've been told its prejudice when it is nothing of the sort.

Immigration is the easiest example, not once has the electorate voted for mass immigration, mass immigration has been rejected time and time again at the ballot box and yet it's still foisted upon us.

Starmer has done nothing to instil confidence in the political system or put British people 1st.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143
Sweden now has below net zero immigration - how did they do it

They doubled the minimum salary requirement for immigrants, increased deportations, and reduced the number of refugees it took in by 80%

They also maintain a strong labour force.

And they've got ID cards 🆔 - only way we are going to get control of it
And children told refugees ‘enrich our country’ and drive ‘growth’ in Usborne book 😤
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firlandsfarm
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Michael5482 wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:16 pm
Nothing will come off it obviously ...
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143
Yeah, agreed ... once we have a GE only The Commons can cause a new one before the 5 years is up but the map accompanying the petition makes interesting reading (https://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.c ... ion=700143) ... it's the rural constituencies (in signatories as a percent of constituents) that are pushing the count. You've got 4 years to say sorry to them Sir Keir!

The debate brought about by the petition may be interesting.
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sionascaig wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:48 pm
Immigration is way way way down the list of concerns in Scotland though, so would argue the issue is much bigger than that.
Maybe we should shift all the illegals to you! :lol: :lol: :lol:
sionascaig
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 7:45 am
sionascaig wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:48 pm
Immigration is way way way down the list of concerns in Scotland though, so would argue the issue is much bigger than that.
Maybe we should shift all the illegals to you! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Already take more than fair share as a percentage of population...

I believe the Scot gov offered to take more provided UK Gov provided suitable funding but (under the tories) monies already allocated to providing accommodation in England... Looking forward to that corruption investigation...

PS: The owner of Premier Inn is also a big conservative party donner. I think a lot of migrants are housed in Premier Inns & they are building more due to demand. Not suggesting there has been corruption in that case but if I was him would want to be squeaky clean given donations.
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That's Shaun f*cked if he's intending to go and live in Medelin.

Colombia’s president says visa restrictions to be imposed on British citizens.

Colombia’s president said his country will impose visa requirements on British citizens in response to the UK Government’s decision to impose visa rules on Colombian visitors.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said the decision was made in the wake of a “significant and sustained” increase in asylum claims and “high rates of refusals” of visitors at the border since November 2022 due to people travelling without the intention of visiting for a permitted purpose.”

Does Colombia have national ID cards:
Yes, Colombia has national ID cards, and they also have a digital extension called the Cédula Digital

YCMIU 😲
🆔 FFS
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jimibt
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oh dear, here we go again in scotland doing the right thing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kl7ywe07o

getting a bit boring the way we look after our society up here :)
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conduirez
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jimibt wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:53 pm
oh dear, here we go again in scotland doing the right thing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kl7ywe07o

getting a bit boring the way we look after our society up here :)
Yes, with our money. :lol:
sionascaig
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conduirez wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:23 pm
jimibt wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:53 pm
oh dear, here we go again in scotland doing the right thing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kl7ywe07o

getting a bit boring the way we look after our society up here :)
Yes, with our money. :lol:
Could always use the oil tax that is being used to subsidise your heating costs?
Michael5482
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jimibt wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:53 pm
oh dear, here we go again in scotland doing the right thing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kl7ywe07o

getting a bit boring the way we look after our society up here :)
Might be able to do it a bit more if the Scottish Government didn't waste hundreds of millions in court on cases they can't win pursuing their nonsensical gender ideology agenda.
greenmark
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sionascaig wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:37 am
conduirez wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:23 pm
jimibt wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:53 pm
oh dear, here we go again in scotland doing the right thing

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj6kl7ywe07o

getting a bit boring the way we look after our society up here :)
Yes, with our money. :lol:
Could always use the oil tax that is being used to subsidise your heating costs?
North Sea oil/gas may well be off the Scottish coast.
But I'm sorry, the Scottish Monarchy sold their country to England to pay off debts.
The resulting United Kingdom produced the Barnett Formula that dictates how much Scotland gets (and indeed gets back from the oil/gas fields).
If Scotland achieves indie that would stop. I would assume indie would include ownership of Scottish waters too.
Scots of an indie opinion that I know always point at how wisely Norway has used it's oil/gas revenue. The envy is palpable whenever the subject comes up.
And tbf I can't argue from a moral position, but Barnett is what it is and until indie is achieved nowt will change. By the time it does I suspect oil/gas will have become redundant.
Rabbie Burns documented the betrayal of the Scots by theie leaders in Parcel of rogues. And not much has changed siince 1700.
sionascaig
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:36 am

North Sea oil/gas may well be off the Scottish coast.
But I'm sorry, the Scottish Monarchy sold their country to England to pay off debts.
The resulting United Kingdom produced the Barnett Formula that dictates how much Scotland gets (and indeed gets back from the oil/gas fields).
If Scotland achieves indie that would stop. I would assume indie would include ownership of Scottish waters too.
Scots of an indie opinion that I know always point at how wisely Norway has used it's oil/gas revenue. The envy is palpable whenever the subject comes up.
And tbf I can't argue from a moral position, but Barnett is what it is and until indie is achieved nowt will change. By the time it does I suspect oil/gas will have become redundant.
Rabbie Burns documented the betrayal of the Scots by theie leaders in Parcel of rogues. And not much has changed siince 1700.
Yes, I was just being flippant - it is what it is...

Scotland already has ownership (or rather responsibility) for its land & waters and hence benefited (massively) from auction of wind farm leases.

In England, this is owned by the Crown Estate and King Charlie gets a cut. I think he got an boost of c£80m from last wind farm lease auction which (he says) will be used to do up bucky palace. Meanwhile pensioners freeze...
Michael5482
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Absolutely astounded at yesterdays immigration figures the Tory's let nearly a million people (net) into the country last year and people wonder why they can't get GP appointment, NHS care, house, decent paid job when they enter the UK they are entitled to register for free with a GP and get free NHS care regardless. The numbers are staggering and unsustainable especially when the majority are unskilled prepared to work for peanuts no wonder Brits don't want to work it's not worth getting out of bed for anymore.

The Tory's are absolutely finished for what they have done to this country but make no mistake people aren't daft Labour started it all with Tony Blair. About time we have a full public enquiry on uncontrolled mass immigration not once has it been voted for and for to long people raising genuine concerns have been labeled racist by the establishment now information that they have been trying to hide is finally pointing to mass uncontrolled immigration being exactly what people have been saying for years it's had a negative impact on British people.

Yesterday Starmer laid it out then came up with no plan to fix it, failed to put a cap on numbers, remove their benefits and free health care or commit to any dates, basically he'll do nothing a complete waste of space wants stringing up with Blair and the Tory's.
sionascaig
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Another absolute disaster waiting to happen... What are the conservative excuses excuses excuses?

At least in Scotland we can see the accounts where they have awarded themselves gold plated early retirement pensions!
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greenmark
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First, it's nett not net.
Second. Difficulty getting GP appointments is a decade old problem. And it has f**k all to do with migrants.
The elephant in the room is that tech is making huge numbers redundant. No politician wants to face this.
Tories don't give a s**t.
Labour knows it a gigantic problem and are avoiding it like they did when the credit crunch was looming.
Michael5482
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:24 pm
First, it's nett not net.
Second. Difficulty getting GP appointments is a decade old problem. And it has f**k all to do with migrants.
The elephant in the room is that tech is making huge numbers redundant. No politician wants to face this.
Tories don't give a s**t.
Labour knows it a gigantic problem and are avoiding it like they did when the credit crunch was looming.
First let's get the semantics out the way it is either net or nett it is a variant spelling. My accountant used to use nett and I asked him about it as thought it was me who was in the wrong he said most older people especially in accounting use nett but most younger people use net. Just about every news agency uses net it appears to be a generational thing with the spelling. To conclude there is no right to wrong.

Second letting nearly 1 million people into the country has a direct impact on GP appointments when there is already a lack of GP's, mass uncontrolled immigration started around 1993 with Blair so yes it's a decade + problem and mass uncontrolled immigration is a major factor in this

The elephant in the room is immigration to cope with demand last year we'd of needed to build a fully functional City the size of Leeds we couldn't build a village let alone a City. We'd have more jobs if Miliband stops his net zero ideology and concentrated on industry like steel that provides jobs and sustains other businesses but he's intent on turbo charging the Tory policy of killing what little British industry is left. Labour just attacked one of the most important industry's just the other week in farming.
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