Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[Michael5482]

Erm.... Iraq wasn't unstable. Saddam had it in a vice-like grip. He just overstepped what the US et al were willing to accept. Then he was deposed, then the suppresion he had exerted was released. Iraq is now trying to work through decades of zero democratic debate. A terrible mess. But this is what dictators produce.

The lesson in all this is keep out of other country's that don't concern us, Trump hit the nail on the head yesterday saying Syria is nothing to do with the US and won't be getting involved.

We should follow suit but I have absolutely no doubt Starmer and his uneducated incompetent cabinet stick there beaks in they won't be able to help themselves it'll be like a moral crusade to them and try to portray Britain as back on the world stage tripe they pedal while British pensioners are still freezing, British farmers are still protesting and the boats keep coming.

It's called diversionary foreign policy to divert attention away from public domestic issues

Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

[firlandsfarm]

Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

No chance, I expect she will say they will need at least 10 years to assess and confirm that it is safe by which time she will be out of office (hopefully) and the Syrians not returned will have become fully established in UK society!

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[greenmark]

The lesson in all this is keep out of other country's that don't concern us, Trump hit the nail on the head yesterday saying Syria is nothing to do with the US and won't be getting involved.

We should follow suit but I have absolutely no doubt Starmer and his uneducated incompetent cabinet stick there beaks in they won't be able to help themselves it'll be like a moral crusade to them and try to portray Britain as back on the world stage tripe they pedal while British pensioners are still freezing, British farmers are still protesting and the boats keep coming.

It's called diversionary foreign policy to divert attention away from public domestic issues

Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

[ForFolksSake]

It's called diversionary foreign policy to divert attention away from public domestic issues

Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

It's not racism. It's controlled immigration. It's what the majority people in this country want

[Michael5482]

It's called diversionary foreign policy to divert attention away from public domestic issues

Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

Yes it is hopefully Syrian's can come together and rebuild their land, there is nothing racist about wanting Syrian people to return to their liberated homeland to live a free life, absolutely none at all.

The left have played the racist card for that long they have no more cards to play, it worked for a while though I'll give them that. I can't wait till Trump takes office and smashes the left to smithereens, hope he has Starmer and the left over here on toast as well.

[jamesedwards]

But was Iraq unstable? It may not have been top of most people's list of where to live but I seem to recall it was stable. It's a bit like the retreating British Empire syndrome ... countries were relatively stable while the Brits ruled but civil war would break out as soon at the last mooring rope was cast aside from the quay!

I agree re Kelly ... and followed by a big hush-up. We talk of people like Putin exercising tight control over events but Blair controlled anything at that time and the aftermaths re enquiries etc. that could have pulled him down.

Erm.... Iraq wasn't unstable. Saddam had it in a vice-like grip. He just overstepped what the US et al were willing to accept. Then he was deposed, then the suppresion he had exerted was released. Iraq is now trying to work through decades of zero democratic debate. A terrible mess. But this is what dictators produce.

The lesson in all this is keep out of other country's that don't concern us, Trump hit the nail on the head yesterday saying Syria is nothing to do with the US and won't be getting involved.

We should follow suit but I have absolutely no doubt Starmer and his uneducated incompetent cabinet stick there beaks in they won't be able to help themselves it'll be like a moral crusade to them and try to portray Britain as back on the world stage tripe they pedal while British pensioners are still freezing, British farmers are still protesting and the boats keep coming.

On the one hand it's highly fashionable for the British to self-flagellate over the "dark days" of the Empire when we impinged our own values around the world to "civilise" others.

Yet on the other, it seems we are determined to do the same thing today.

[firlandsfarm]

[Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist. It seems to be a typical example of always having to comply with the sensitivities of others rather than make a logical truthful comment!

[ForFolksSake]

[Indeed, I heard Angela Rayner this morning on Laura Kuensberg saying she welcomed the regime change in Syria and a democratic vote. I see no reason all Syrian's cannot be returned to there homeland from the UK now it's been liberated from the Assad regime.

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist. It seems to be a typical example of always having to comply with the sensitivities of others rather than make a logical truthful comment!

You are wasting your time arguing that one.
It might irritate him , but Greenmark will bat that one away forever.
They are never going to go back voluntarily, not after risking there lives crossing the English channel in a dinghy.
They are here to stay .
What we are talking about is controlling current 'illegal' immigration. It's what the majority of people in this country want.

[sionascaig]

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist.

Because its inherent in the definition of racism?

"Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity"

Once they have asylum that is it. Its up to them whether they return. Why should you (or some other arbitrary group) be the judge?

[ForFolksSake]

Is that the most positive thing for you? Get rid of some immigrants? Good grief what is happening to this country. We've spawned 24 carat racists. I despair.

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist. It seems to be a typical example of always having to comply with the sensitivities of others rather than make a logical truthful comment!

You are wasting your time arguing that one.
It might irritate them , but Greenmark and Sionascaig will bat that one away forever and call you racist.
They are never going to go back voluntarily, not after risking there lives crossing the English channel in a dinghy.
They are here to stay .
Accept that.
What we are talking about is controlling current 'illegal' immigration which isn't being racist. It's what the majority of people in England want.

[Michael5482]

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist.

Because its inherent in the definition of racism?

"Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity"

Once they have asylum that is it. Its up to them whether they return. Why should you (or some other arbitrary group) be the judge?

Asylum in the UK is not permanent, it is granted for 3 or 5 years (cant remember which one) after that they have to apply again. If any asylum seekers country is liberated I see no reason why they require further asylum, it will hopefully empower them to build the land they fled from.

Asylum can also be revoked if it is no longer needed.

Nothing racist about it, the race card is very boring now.

[ForFolksSake]

We are in for another wave of refugees after Assad falls ...
I think I'll set up a travel company offering small boat crossings from France to England.
Let's at least all of us make some money from it and not just the gangs.
If you can't beat them , join 'em

[sionascaig]

I fail to see why returning people to their home country especially when the reason why they claimed asylum has been removed should be racist.

Because its inherent in the definition of racism?

"Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity"

Once they have asylum that is it. Its up to them whether they return. Why should you (or some other arbitrary group) be the judge?

Asylum in the UK is not permanent, it is granted for 3 or 5 years (cant remember which one) after that they have to apply again. If any asylum seekers country is liberated I see no reason why they require further asylum, it will hopefully empower them to build the land they fled from.

Asylum can also be revoked if it is no longer needed.

Nothing racist about it, the race card is very boring now.

Did not know that...

Looks like min period is 5 years but can be granted indefinite right to remain.

[sionascaig]

We are in for another wave of refugees after Assad falls ...

Was just listening to some Syrians on the news excited about the possibility of returning...

[ForFolksSake]

We are in for another wave of refugees after Assad falls ...

Was just listening to some Syrians on the news excited about the possibility of returning...

I think I'll set up a travel company offering small boat crossings from France to England.
Let's at least all of us make some money from it and not just the gangs.
It's an expanding business, should make a killing