Holy Grail or Holy Fail

[wazzinaus]

Six month in, at least 4 hours a day every day learning the craft of Bet Angel, trialling, tweaking & testing shared bots and writing my own. Some looked like being the Holy Grail only to turn into the Holy Fail over time. Are forum dwellers all like me or have some of you created bots which are consistently profitable over time and if so are there people on here who sell there successful bots ? Asking for a friend lol

[Euler]

It’s completely natural to feel like you’re treading water, especially in the first six months of building and testing bots. Many Bet Angel users go through a phase where they keep hoping a given strategy will be that elusive “Holy Grail” only to watch it slowly unravel in live market conditions. That’s just part of the learning curve. You might be surprised how many forum members have been exactly where you are right now.

As for whether there are traders who’ve cracked it with a consistently profitable bot, the answer is yes, they do exist. There are individuals who’ve honed their strategies over time, refining their parameters, selecting markets carefully, and sticking to solid risk management principles until they reach a place of steady profits. However, it’s important to realise that these people are often a bit guarded about their methods. Successful bots typically arise from a specific angle, insight, or edge that a trader has developed themselves.

In terms of people selling bots, you’ll find that the market is mixed. Plenty of services and “gurus” out there claim to offer ready-made money machines. But you’ve got to approach this side of things with a healthy dose of scepticism. The truth is, if someone has a genuinely profitable edge, they are less likely to give it away too cheaply or too publicly, because widespread use often erodes the very edge that makes it profitable. On the other hand, there can be legitimate services or community members who sell templates or frameworks which you can customise to suit your own strategies—though rarely the “plug and play” miracle solution that many newcomers hope to find.

Overall, yes, there are users who manage to get good out consistent profits with their bots, and a handful who are willing to share or sell at least part of what they’ve built. But anyone suggesting a guaranteed, permanent profit machine is waving a big red flag. The best route remains putting in the hours, testing, refining, and learning from others’ approaches. Over time, you’ll develop your own profitable angle, and that edge will be something you’ve earned through experience rather than simply purchased off the shelf.

[Fugazi]

Six month in, at least 4 hours a day every day learning the craft of Bet Angel, trialling, tweaking & testing shared bots and writing my own. Some looked like being the Holy Grail only to turn into the Holy Fail over time. Are forum dwellers all like me or have some of you created bots which are consistently profitable over time and if so are there people on here who sell there successful bots ? Asking for a friend lol

Sure. I have a bot making £1000 a day


Do you have £1 million to purchase it?

[Anbell]

Six month in, at least 4 hours a day every day learning the craft of Bet Angel, trialling, tweaking & testing shared bots and writing my own. Some looked like being the Holy Grail only to turn into the Holy Fail over time. Are forum dwellers all like me or have some of you created bots which are consistently profitable over time and if so are there people on here who sell there successful bots ? Asking for a friend lol

I always come back to a simple question: Is there free money lying around? Probably not.

[MrJoeBlack]

Patience, faith, and discipline... that's the Holy Grail.

[MrJoeBlack]

It’s completely natural to feel like you’re treading water, especially in the first six months of building and testing bots. Many Bet Angel users go through a phase where they keep hoping a given strategy will be that elusive “Holy Grail” only to watch it slowly unravel in live market conditions. That’s just part of the learning curve. You might be surprised how many forum members have been exactly where you are right now.

As for whether there are traders who’ve cracked it with a consistently profitable bot, the answer is yes, they do exist. There are individuals who’ve honed their strategies over time, refining their parameters, selecting markets carefully, and sticking to solid risk management principles until they reach a place of steady profits. However, it’s important to realise that these people are often a bit guarded about their methods. Successful bots typically arise from a specific angle, insight, or edge that a trader has developed themselves.

In terms of people selling bots, you’ll find that the market is mixed. Plenty of services and “gurus” out there claim to offer ready-made money machines. But you’ve got to approach this side of things with a healthy dose of scepticism. The truth is, if someone has a genuinely profitable edge, they are less likely to give it away too cheaply or too publicly, because widespread use often erodes the very edge that makes it profitable. On the other hand, there can be legitimate services or community members who sell templates or frameworks which you can customise to suit your own strategies—though rarely the “plug and play” miracle solution that many newcomers hope to find.

Overall, yes, there are users who manage to get good out consistent profits with their bots, and a handful who are willing to share or sell at least part of what they’ve built. But anyone suggesting a guaranteed, permanent profit machine is waving a big red flag. The best route remains putting in the hours, testing, refining, and learning from others’ approaches. Over time, you’ll develop your own profitable angle, and that edge will be something you’ve earned through experience rather than simply purchased off the shelf.

Why would anyone sell a winning strategy?? I think the answer is in the software!!

My experience has been that there can be legitimate reasons for selling a strategy. I would argue, and of course I do not want to be presumptuous, that by selling access to the features of BetAngel Peter is giving away an edge. It is, after all, an incredibly powerful piece of software - however by doing so it provides him with a legitimate source of income and capital and that can be helpful both in this business and outside of it.

I have strategies that yield 20+% ROI - but it doesn't mean that with commission (and the cost of living!!) that it wouldn't expediate matters to have another source of income. An edge has a lifespan too and in the current climate (impact of affordability checks etc) who knows how long this gravy train will last.

After all, I assume we all got into this for the same reason... "take what you can, and give nothing back!"

[wazzinaus]

It’s completely natural to feel like you’re treading water, especially in the first six months of building and testing bots. Many Bet Angel users go through a phase where they keep hoping a given strategy will be that elusive “Holy Grail” only to watch it slowly unravel in live market conditions. That’s just part of the learning curve. You might be surprised how many forum members have been exactly where you are right now.

As for whether there are traders who’ve cracked it with a consistently profitable bot, the answer is yes, they do exist. There are individuals who’ve honed their strategies over time, refining their parameters, selecting markets carefully, and sticking to solid risk management principles until they reach a place of steady profits. However, it’s important to realise that these people are often a bit guarded about their methods. Successful bots typically arise from a specific angle, insight, or edge that a trader has developed themselves.

In terms of people selling bots, you’ll find that the market is mixed. Plenty of services and “gurus” out there claim to offer ready-made money machines. But you’ve got to approach this side of things with a healthy dose of scepticism. The truth is, if someone has a genuinely profitable edge, they are less likely to give it away too cheaply or too publicly, because widespread use often erodes the very edge that makes it profitable. On the other hand, there can be legitimate services or community members who sell templates or frameworks which you can customise to suit your own strategies—though rarely the “plug and play” miracle solution that many newcomers hope to find.

Overall, yes, there are users who manage to get good out consistent profits with their bots, and a handful who are willing to share or sell at least part of what they’ve built. But anyone suggesting a guaranteed, permanent profit machine is waving a big red flag. The best route remains putting in the hours, testing, refining, and learning from others’ approaches. Over time, you’ll develop your own profitable angle, and that edge will be something you’ve earned through experience rather than simply purchased off the shelf.

Thanks Peter, as always wise words

[andy28]

Six month in, at least 4 hours a day every day learning the craft of Bet Angel, trialling, tweaking & testing shared bots and writing my own. Some looked like being the Holy Grail only to turn into the Holy Fail over time. Are forum dwellers all like me or have some of you created bots which are consistently profitable over time and if so are there people on here who sell there successful bots ? Asking for a friend lol

Coming up 4yrs I have been what can only be described as flip flopping around I decided to have a reset a few weeks back. One of my biggest errors was not knowing what Bet Angel can do for me. Especially Guardian, I think you can have 100 custom columns make them work for you. Gather as much data as you can. For me I can't really use python past basic stuff but use AI and some of the fog may lift as it can process this data in seconds.

The other thing I have found is you need a base to compare to. I mean say you are looking at GH and you want to back Box1, say it wins at 48% overall then all of a sudden it drops to 43% is it your strategy? So if you have how often favs win and it is 44% and then in the time your strategy failed it dropped to 37.5% then you know your strategy is still doing better so now you can look to see what changed.

You said you have been here 6 months it could be seasonal, track conditions may have changed, more off tracks leading to less favs winning, could be they are racing under the lights more. Maybe it is even a couple of large kennels are out of form maybe they had an illness go through the kennels or something.

I have only just started doing it this way so my samples are too small to know if any of this makes a difference, but you still have to take the time to test properly and test on unseen data and paper test it so it does take time. I gather plenty of data on GH Racing & Football via Guardian now, I may not need it or it may not even be useful at the moment, but I have it. I just think it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

I am not profitable and not a trader I am a value bettor but by taking advantage of Bet Angel software now it may save you years further down the track

All the best

[wazzinaus]

Six month in, at least 4 hours a day every day learning the craft of Bet Angel, trialling, tweaking & testing shared bots and writing my own. Some looked like being the Holy Grail only to turn into the Holy Fail over time. Are forum dwellers all like me or have some of you created bots which are consistently profitable over time and if so are there people on here who sell there successful bots ? Asking for a friend lol

Coming up 4yrs I have been what can only be described as flip flopping around I decided to have a reset a few weeks back. One of my biggest errors was not knowing what Bet Angel can do for me. Especially Guardian, I think you can have 100 custom columns make them work for you. Gather as much data as you can. For me I can't really use python past basic stuff but use AI and some of the fog may lift as it can process this data in seconds.

The other thing I have found is you need a base to compare to. I mean say you are looking at GH and you want to back Box1, say it wins at 48% overall then all of a sudden it drops to 43% is it your strategy? So if you have how often favs win and it is 44% and then in the time your strategy failed it dropped to 37.5% then you know your strategy is still doing better so now you can look to see what changed.

You said you have been here 6 months it could be seasonal, track conditions may have changed, more off tracks leading to less favs winning, could be they are racing under the lights more. Maybe it is even a couple of large kennels are out of form maybe they had an illness go through the kennels or something.

I have only just started doing it this way so my samples are too small to know if any of this makes a difference, but you still have to take the time to test properly and test on unseen data and paper test it so it does take time. I gather plenty of data on GH Racing & Football via Guardian now, I may not need it or it may not even be useful at the moment, but I have it. I just think it is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

I am not profitable and not a trader I am a value bettor but by taking advantage of Bet Angel software now it may save you years further down the track

All the best

Hi Andy

Thanks for your reply. I think I am already using all 100 columns and the points you raised about seasonality etc are spot on. I have previously analysed over two years of greyhound and horse racing data downloaded from Betfair to get to where I am. I think I just need to be more patient and analyse all the data i have collected and continue to collect.