Today's Horse Racing

[walshy]

Yeah, That looked very impressive

[jamesedwards]

The guy is insane. Don't know how he does it.

https://x.com/RacingTV/status/1872673835301957900

[Fugazi]

1253 Kelso

Was watching in play and saw the favourite Young Jacks odds drift to 12.0 + with still a circuit to go.

Horse looked to be travelling fine to me and was in a good position (within couple lengths of the leader)

What is it people could see that I couldn't? As it did drop off significantly in the end. Perhaps this was something on TPD people noticed? Or inside info?

[ShaunWhite]

Horse looked to be travelling fine to me.

Markets only exist because there's a difference of opinion.

It only takes a few tail swishes to indicate that it's not particularly happy and the hive mind isn't usually wrong. TPD doesn't tell you the horses demeanor so the market is still the best guide and if it said 12/1 then it most likely was 12/1 at that moment.

[Fugazi]

Horse looked to be travelling fine to me.

Markets only exist because there's a difference of opinion.

It only takes a few tail swishes to indicate that it's not particularly happy and the hive mind isn't usually wrong. TPD doesn't tell you the horses demeanor so the market is still the best guide and if it said 12/1 then it most likely was 12/1 at that moment.

Yeah just trying to build my skills and figure out what else I need to be looking out for

[Euler]

Inspecting at Musselburgh now

[Michael5482]

Horse looked to be travelling fine to me.

Markets only exist because there's a difference of opinion.

It only takes a few tail swishes to indicate that it's not particularly happy and the hive mind isn't usually wrong. TPD doesn't tell you the horses demeanor so the market is still the best guide and if it said 12/1 then it most likely was 12/1 at that moment.

Yeah just trying to build my skills and figure out what else I need to be looking out for

You could do worse than stick ITV Racing on now and listen to AP McCoy review horses and races in-running. He's just reviewed Ballyburns run at Kempton.

Easy to see why he's the GOAT.

[Michael5482]

Springwell Bay and Seddon in the 2.05 at Cheltenham, new I'd seen something like this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdWQJhMHXY

[jamesedwards]

Springwell Bay and Seddon in the 2.05 at Cheltenham, new I'd seen something like this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdWQJhMHXY

[ShaunWhite]

You could do worse than stick ITV Racing on now and listen to AP McCoy review horses and races in-running.

TV pundits almost never name a price to go with their tip or observations. It's not hard to say the favourite might win, harder to tell the public not to have a bet unless it's >3.7.

[wearthefoxhat]

You could do worse than stick ITV Racing on now and listen to AP McCoy review horses and races in-running.

TV pundits almost never name a price to go with their tip or observations. It's not hard to say the favourite might win, harder to tell the public not to have a bet unless it's >3.7.

The pundits are mainly ex-jockeys. These guys have value, not pre-off, but in-play. Also, as mentioned, good at reviewing post-race. ie: Ruby Walsh and his assessments.

A good example In-play, was how poorly Broadway Boy was jumping and it's demeanour during the race. It was still trading in-play at 2.20 for a while, then finished a distant 4th well beaten.

I've always believed TV racing missed a trick with regard to helping punters finding the likely winner of the race. (Pre-off)

Tipping has always been subjective and more often than not, the favourite will likely have more positives and its' probability leans towards the likely winner of the race, however, the way that probability is pieced together, may suggest it has only a 25% chance and not a 40% chance as the live market is indicating. (overbet -hyped more than likely)

The punter would likely prefer a range of where the likely winner will come from with the use of technology. They did try and put together a form-table by %, similar to postdata in the racing post, but got dropped by production. They could do something, maybe an Algorithm section that pinpoints key data and produces a tissue price with a value recommendation of more than one selection.

The cries of "it's too complicated" would soon be drowned out as winners at good prices flow regularly. Yes, the value may disappear on the initial listed runners, but where one steams another drifts, and if on the short-list, in turn, becomes can become value.

They have also, on the flat, put together a sectional time/speed data angle. Hope they continue with that, but that needs to be incorporated into the overall algorithm along with other key data and presented to the punter.

Certain pundits pre-off, are worth listening to, ie: Jason Weaver/Richard Hoiles. I personally don't tune in to watch the personalities, I like to glean the information that isn't readily available. 80% of the information is available if you know where to look, it's the unknown 20% that needs to be pieced together and usually, only become apparent once the result is known. (The real edge comes from defining that pesky 20%)

Sorry for the long post, must have been that extra coffee this morning...

[wearthefoxhat]

Springwell Bay and Seddon in the 2.05 at Cheltenham, new I'd seen something like this before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdWQJhMHXY

One of the Jockeys was wearing Rich Ricci's colours....wonder if he got the idea from the programme?

[firlandsfarm]

I've always believed TV racing missed a trick with regard to helping punters finding the likely winner of the race. (Pre-off)

I don't think they could do it. Imagine a (successful) pundit tips a runner live on TV ... who will get to the bookies first? Their telephone lines will become jammed giving them time to drop their odds and the Exchanges would go into free fall. And there will be the constant suspicion that the pundit just backed the runner so they can lay it back when the stampede is in full swing!

[wearthefoxhat]

I've always believed TV racing missed a trick with regard to helping punters finding the likely winner of the race. (Pre-off)

I don't think they could do it. Imagine a (successful) pundit tips a runner live on TV ... who will get to the bookies first? Their telephone lines will become jammed giving them time to drop their odds and the Exchanges would go into free fall. And there will be the constant suspicion that the pundit just backed the runner so they can lay it back when the stampede is in full swing!

Yep that could happen. It's bad enough with Hugh Taylor at ATR when prices disappear within micro seconds. (Makes for good lay to back opportunities)

The TV racing do a fair job trying to make it "entertaining" and to showcase different aspects of horse racing to appeal to a wider audience, but the essence/survival of horse racing is betting and having a chance of finding a winner or in the very least, getting a good run for your money. (Sponsorship will further drop if there's no new interest)

Also, to attract a younger audience, they would be the ones that would appreciate more of a tech angle element to finding a winner. It would also make some (not all) appreciate why a certain horse gets beaten or why a 100/1 winner might occur from time to time.

[Michael5482]

I've always believed TV racing missed a trick with regard to helping punters finding the likely winner of the race. (Pre-off)

I don't think they could do it. Imagine a (successful) pundit tips a runner live on TV ... who will get to the bookies first? Their telephone lines will become jammed giving them time to drop their odds and the Exchanges would go into free fall. And there will be the constant suspicion that the pundit just backed the runner so they can lay it back when the stampede is in full swing!

Yep that could happen. It's bad enough with Hugh Taylor at ATR when prices disappear within micro seconds. (Makes for good lay to back opportunities)

The TV racing do a fair job trying to make it "entertaining" and to showcase different aspects of horse racing to appeal to a wider audience, but the essence/survival of horse racing is betting and having a chance of finding a winner or in the very least, getting a good run for your money. (Sponsorship will further drop if there's no new interest)

Also, to attract a younger audience, they would be the ones that would appreciate more of a tech angle element to finding a winner. It would also make some (not all) appreciate why a certain horse gets beaten or why a 100/1 winner might occur from time to time.

I personally think ITV Racing is the best coverage of any sport, they absolutely nail it. In relation to finding winners/prices, betting is recreational for 99% of people and all the racing channels presenters provide us with their opinions and information like pricing it's up to the punter how they interpret them.