Automate Soccer Mystic?

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Fugazi
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Say the match odds are showing 1.6 for a draw

Is there any way I could get it to automate placing a back bet if current odds are 1.65, for example?

I want to take advantage of odds decaying
Michael5482
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Fugazi wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:09 pm
Say the match odds are showing 1.6 for a draw

Is there any way I could get it to automate placing a back bet if current odds are 1.65, for example?

I want to take advantage of odds decaying
Soccer Mystic get's the prices form the live market so can't see how the price could be anything different.

You can model time decay in Soccer Mystic so if the match odds were 1.6 you can model how long it's take to get to 1.65 or input if I enter at 1.6 and the home team scores it will predict where the odds will go.

If you want to take advantage of time decay and Soccer Mystic two options would be to model the game and use Soccer Mystic to input goal times to manage your positions from or watch the game live where you manage your position in relation to what's happening on the pitch and use Soccer Mystic in the same way. The latter I'd advise quick pictures.
Fugazi
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Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:25 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:09 pm
Say the match odds are showing 1.6 for a draw

Is there any way I could get it to automate placing a back bet if current odds are 1.65, for example?

I want to take advantage of odds decaying
Soccer Mystic get's the prices form the live market so can't see how the price could be anything different.

You can model time decay in Soccer Mystic so if the match odds were 1.6 you can model how long it's take to get to 1.65 or input if I enter at 1.6 and the home team scores it will predict where the odds will go.

If you want to take advantage of time decay and Soccer Mystic two options would be to model the game and use Soccer Mystic to input goal times to manage your positions from or watch the game live where you manage your position in relation to what's happening on the pitch and use Soccer Mystic in the same way. The latter I'd advise quick pictures.
It has a section under match odds where it has forecast price, and current price

Often current price differs by as much as 0.2
Michael5482
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Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:35 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:25 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:09 pm
Say the match odds are showing 1.6 for a draw

Is there any way I could get it to automate placing a back bet if current odds are 1.65, for example?

I want to take advantage of odds decaying
Soccer Mystic get's the prices form the live market so can't see how the price could be anything different.

You can model time decay in Soccer Mystic so if the match odds were 1.6 you can model how long it's take to get to 1.65 or input if I enter at 1.6 and the home team scores it will predict where the odds will go.

If you want to take advantage of time decay and Soccer Mystic two options would be to model the game and use Soccer Mystic to input goal times to manage your positions from or watch the game live where you manage your position in relation to what's happening on the pitch and use Soccer Mystic in the same way. The latter I'd advise quick pictures.
It has a section under match odds where it has forecast price, and current price

Often current price differs by as much as 0.2
The live price will include the book % the forecast quite possibly will not.
Fugazi
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Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:57 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:35 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:25 pm


Soccer Mystic get's the prices form the live market so can't see how the price could be anything different.

You can model time decay in Soccer Mystic so if the match odds were 1.6 you can model how long it's take to get to 1.65 or input if I enter at 1.6 and the home team scores it will predict where the odds will go.

If you want to take advantage of time decay and Soccer Mystic two options would be to model the game and use Soccer Mystic to input goal times to manage your positions from or watch the game live where you manage your position in relation to what's happening on the pitch and use Soccer Mystic in the same way. The latter I'd advise quick pictures.
It has a section under match odds where it has forecast price, and current price

Often current price differs by as much as 0.2
The live price will include the book % the forecast quite possibly will not.
Can you explain this a bit more?

My understanding is the exchange book is 100%

I guess comission is factored in at 2% then?
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jamesedwards
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Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:19 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:57 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:35 pm


It has a section under match odds where it has forecast price, and current price

Often current price differs by as much as 0.2
The live price will include the book % the forecast quite possibly will not.
Can you explain this a bit more?

My understanding is the exchange book is 100%

I guess comission is factored in at 2% then?
There is never likely to be a book% that is exactly 100%. Book %s are shown here.

Then you have to consider the impact of your commission rate on top.
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Michael5482
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jamesedwards wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:26 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:19 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:57 pm


The live price will include the book % the forecast quite possibly will not.
Can you explain this a bit more?

My understanding is the exchange book is 100%

I guess comission is factored in at 2% then?
There is never likely to be a book% that is exactly 100%. Book %s are shown here.

Then you have to consider the impact of your commission rate on top.

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Plus the gaps in prices i.e 2.20 to to 2.22 etc etc
Fugazi
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jamesedwards wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:26 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:19 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:57 pm


The live price will include the book % the forecast quite possibly will not.
Can you explain this a bit more?

My understanding is the exchange book is 100%

I guess comission is factored in at 2% then?
There is never likely to be a book% that is exactly 100%. Book %s are shown here.

Then you have to consider the impact of your commission rate on top.

z42.JPG
Sorry what I really meant is it is much closer to 100 than the bookies... And the more liquid the closer to 100.

Theres definitely some edge to be had here I just need to get my head around the discrepancies between forecast and actual price
weemac
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Soccer Mystic always favours the underdog in the CS market and goes against higher scoring draws. I'd really like to know why.

I'd estimate the 0-1 and 0-2 discrepancies seen in today's Inter match are replicated about 95% of the time, regardless of the league or the match circumstances.
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Michael5482
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weemac wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:32 pm
Soccer Mystic always favours the underdog in the CS market and goes against higher scoring draws. I'd really like to know why.

I'd estimate the 0-1 and 0-2 discrepancies seen in today's Inter match are replicated about 95% of the time, regardless of the league or the match circumstances.
Maybe underdogs score 1st more than people think and Soccer Mystic knows this? (I can't help this bit sorry I'll get my coat) All because it really is Mystic :lol:
Michael5482
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Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:23 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:26 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:19 pm


Can you explain this a bit more?

My understanding is the exchange book is 100%

I guess comission is factored in at 2% then?
There is never likely to be a book% that is exactly 100%. Book %s are shown here.

Then you have to consider the impact of your commission rate on top.

z42.JPG
Sorry what I really meant is it is much closer to 100 than the bookies... And the more liquid the closer to 100.

Theres definitely some edge to be had here I just need to get my head around the discrepancies between forecast and actual price
If there is and edge you've just gave it away.

Put some money in the market and it'll tell you all you need to know.
weemac
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Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:49 pm
weemac wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:32 pm
Soccer Mystic always favours the underdog in the CS market and goes against higher scoring draws. I'd really like to know why.

I'd estimate the 0-1 and 0-2 discrepancies seen in today's Inter match are replicated about 95% of the time, regardless of the league or the match circumstances.
Maybe underdogs score 1st more than people think and Soccer Mystic knows this?
It would seem strange that Euler's been promoting that idea publicly for ages yet the market serially overlooks it. If Soccer Mystic was automatable we could store these values and see how they measure up long term vs. the market.
Michael5482
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weemac wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 4:02 pm
Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:49 pm
weemac wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:32 pm
Soccer Mystic always favours the underdog in the CS market and goes against higher scoring draws. I'd really like to know why.

I'd estimate the 0-1 and 0-2 discrepancies seen in today's Inter match are replicated about 95% of the time, regardless of the league or the match circumstances.
Maybe underdogs score 1st more than people think and Soccer Mystic knows this?
It would seem strange that Euler's been promoting that idea publicly for ages yet the market serially overlooks it. If Soccer Mystic was automatable we could store these values and see how they measure up long term vs. the market.
Yes automation from Soccer Mystic would be a wonderful addition to Bet Angel
Fugazi
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Michael5482 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:56 pm
Fugazi wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 3:23 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:26 pm


There is never likely to be a book% that is exactly 100%. Book %s are shown here.

Then you have to consider the impact of your commission rate on top.

z42.JPG
Sorry what I really meant is it is much closer to 100 than the bookies... And the more liquid the closer to 100.

Theres definitely some edge to be had here I just need to get my head around the discrepancies between forecast and actual price
If there is and edge you've just gave it away.
Nah.

1) Someone would have to believe theres any credibility to what I say

2) They still have to figure out what markets and when

3) To kill my edge that I don't yet have they would need to be using the exact same settings

4) Anyone that does all the above probably worked all this out years before me, and / or is already very successful and not worth their time speculating from my post on the slim chance its correct

Unless you lay out a strategy step by step or you give away your automation you're safe
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