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firlandsfarm
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greenmark wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:06 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:41 am
greenmark wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2024 1:37 pm
You're forgetting his influence. Moving away from abject and continual chaotic failure to positive professionalism.
And DEI is a good thing. The alternative is Trump and Farage. We've done populism (Boris and Truss) and it's s**t. Happy New Year! :-)
Don't see anything wrong with Trump and Farage, particularly Farage. I keep asking for evidence of his 'racism' but never receive any. After all if he is as much of a racist as the LLs claim there must be hundreds of examples they can call upon.
Farage is a liar. He claimed the Uk has nett migration of 2.5 million in the 2 years prior to the last election. That is total nonsense. It's disgraceful that isn't challenged.
And here is the problem. I Googled "farage 2.5 million nett migration" and couldn't find anything confirming your claim. And without an actual quote what he did say then, considering the relaxed way his words are interpreted by the LLs, I can see no basis for your claim. But I did reference the House of Commons Library (I trust you will accept that as a respectable authority) and if you have a look here about half way down the page you will read "In 2021, immigration increased sharply and reached a level of around 1.2-1.3 million per year in 2022 and 2023". Now I don't know how you do your maths but 2022 and 2023 are the two years before the 2024 GE and 1.2 million per year x 2 years equals 2.4 million in my book so I'm wondering where the lie is, could it be in claiming he was referring to "nett" migration when it appears he probably wasn't? Even your beloved Guardian made the point re the difference between "migration" and "nett migration" but since when has a four lettered word prevented an LL lie being proclaimed the truth?

And of course you must despise all MPs regardless of party because they will all probably have lied and the current chief liars are Starmer and his thieves. But don't believe me ask any pensioner, farm worker/owner, WASPI woman etc. ... I could go on and on but to be brief why don't you Google "Keir Starmer's broken promises", the list is very impressive or damming depending on your point of view but perhaps Labourhub.org.uk is the most damming and it's article was before the election so add all the post election lies to them. And finally let's "smash the gangs" shall we. According to official figures the number of boat people crossing the channel 01/01/24 - 05/07/24 was 13.154 and from 06/07/24 - 31/12/24 the number was 23,242, nearly double the number. The 'gangs' must be quaking in their boots!
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Michael5482
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Labour starting the year on the back foot refusing a national public enquiry into muslim rape gangs which has gone down well with absolutely no one. 20 Labour councillors have resigned in Nottinghamshire saying Starmer has abandoned Labour values. I suppose pilling misery on poor people isn't exactly socialism so they have a point.

Tory's won't do much but under Kemi but may do under a new leader. Keep on eye on her because she won't last the distance she'll be kicked into touch by her own front and back benchers at some point. All the above is meat and drink for Reform, whatever you think of Farage he knows how to play the game, he's a wily old fox.

Don't need to do much with my Reform/Tory dutch other than watch it get greener as Labour implode.
Vaz0202
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Another day and another opportunity for Musk to wade in.

For the first time in forever, the local elections might be quite exciting.
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firlandsfarm
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Vaz0202 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:33 pm
Another day and another opportunity for Musk to wade in.

For the first time in forever, the local elections might be quite exciting.
Yeah, I'm not sure of Musk's motivation. Is it that he feels he has made enough money and now wants to use it to influence the world or does he see more money making opportunities by involving himself in politics ... or maybe it's neither and just an ego trip. Whatever it is he puts his money where his mouth compared to politicians who put their mouth where the votes are regardless of intensions after the booths have closed!
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:41 am

Don't see anything wrong with Trump and Farage, particularly Farage. I keep asking for evidence of his 'racism' but never receive any. After all if he is as much of a racist as the LLs claim there must be hundreds of examples they can call upon.
I can't find any examples of LL's calling Farage an racist?

I did find one article claiming Farage used to wander about town signing Hitler youth songs but it didn't mention whether the villager concerned was left or right leaning - don't suppose it really matters - either Farage did or he didn't!
Michael5482
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 5:25 am
Vaz0202 wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:33 pm
Another day and another opportunity for Musk to wade in.

For the first time in forever, the local elections might be quite exciting.
Yeah, I'm not sure of Musk's motivation. Is it that he feels he has made enough money and now wants to use it to influence the world or does he see more money making opportunities by involving himself in politics ... or maybe it's neither and just an ego trip. Whatever it is he puts his money where his mouth compared to politicians who put their mouth where the votes are regardless of intensions after the booths have closed!
Musk has started a conversation which led for a call for a national inquiry into muslim rape gangs on the back of his tweets inside hours, this can only be a good thing.

If politicians did their job properly Musk wouldn't be an issue for them. Knowing public feeling and she's The Under Secretary of State for Safeguarding and Violence Against Women what on earth was Jess Phillips thinking saying no to a national inquiry into the muslim rape gangs however she only won her seat by a small margin coming 2nd to a pro Gaza Independent in a big muslim area so that may explain her motivation.

Politicians at times do themselves absolutely no favours at all.
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ForFolksSake
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Farage is our Messiah! - sent back to save us all from the utterly incompetent Labour/Tory MP's that we have all had to suffer over the past 25 years 🙏
sionascaig
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:40 am
Farage is our Messiah!
How's Brexit working out for you.

Messiah's, in general, way over-rated in my opinion...

On a more positive note....

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Go Reform Go!!!
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greenmark
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:28 pm
greenmark wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 2:06 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:41 am

Don't see anything wrong with Trump and Farage, particularly Farage. I keep asking for evidence of his 'racism' but never receive any. After all if he is as much of a racist as the LLs claim there must be hundreds of examples they can call upon.
Farage is a liar. He claimed the Uk has nett migration of 2.5 million in the 2 years prior to the last election. That is total nonsense. It's disgraceful that isn't challenged.
And here is the problem. I Googled "farage 2.5 million nett migration" and couldn't find anything confirming your claim. And without an actual quote what he did say then, considering the relaxed way his words are interpreted by the LLs, I can see no basis for your claim. But I did reference the House of Commons Library (I trust you will accept that as a respectable authority) and if you have a look here about half way down the page you will read "In 2021, immigration increased sharply and reached a level of around 1.2-1.3 million per year in 2022 and 2023". Now I don't know how you do your maths but 2022 and 2023 are the two years before the 2024 GE and 1.2 million per year x 2 years equals 2.4 million in my book so I'm wondering where the lie is, could it be in claiming he was referring to "nett" migration when it appears he probably wasn't? Even your beloved Guardian made the point re the difference between "migration" and "nett migration" but since when has a four lettered word prevented an LL lie being proclaimed the truth?

And of course you must despise all MPs regardless of party because they will all probably have lied and the current chief liars are Starmer and his thieves. But don't believe me ask any pensioner, farm worker/owner, WASPI woman etc. ... I could go on and on but to be brief why don't you Google "Keir Starmer's broken promises", the list is very impressive or damming depending on your point of view but perhaps Labourhub.org.uk is the most damming and it's article was before the election so add all the post election lies to them. And finally let's "smash the gangs" shall we. According to official figures the number of boat people crossing the channel 01/01/24 - 05/07/24 was 13.154 and from 06/07/24 - 31/12/24 the number was 23,242, nearly double the number. The 'gangs' must be quaking in their boots!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgxq82xwkl1o 1minute 50seconds
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ForFolksSake
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sionascaig wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:55 am
ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:40 am
Farage is our Messiah!
How's Brexit working out for you.

Messiah's, in general, way over-rated in my opinion...

On a more positive note....


Screenshot 2024-12-30 095809.png



Go Reform Go!!!
... and good riddance to the Barnett formula !!! :D
sionascaig
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:49 am

... and good riddance to the Barnett formula !!! :D
No worries, will be taking our share of the crown jewels )
greenmark
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sionascaig wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:55 am
ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:40 am
Farage is our Messiah!
How's Brexit working out for you.

Messiah's, in general, way over-rated in my opinion...

On a more positive note....


Screenshot 2024-12-30 095809.png



Go Reform Go!!!
Brexit is now proven to be nothing more than xenophobically suicidal financial idiocy.
Introduce friction in trade with your biggest market? Genius!!! Brexit was beyond cretinous.
Our GDP has flatlined since 2016. Not so bad? Our G7 peers are doing better. We are predicted to see a reduction in GDP of 4% over the next 10years.
So brexit ain't that good for me.
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ForFolksSake
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sionascaig wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:52 am
ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:49 am

... and good riddance to the Barnett formula !!! :D
No worries, will be taking our share of the crown jewels )
You'd better be quick ....
Musk has got his eyes set on those 👑 :lol:
Archery1969
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Scotland can’t legally leave the Union without Westminster’s say so. And regardless of PM/Party there never going to allow it.

Also, no point in asking the European Court to get involved. If things went Scotlands way there then it would cause mayhem in Spain with Catalonia who not so long ago locked up various individuals in that region. Besides, Europe has bigger issues to deal with regarding far right parties gathering pace and votes.

As for the Crown Jewels:

The Crown Jewels and Crown Properties are held in trust by the king or queen for the nation. They are passed to the next monarch on their accession (when they become king or queen).

If Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland were to steal/seize them then I am 100% sure a unit based in Hereford would quickly seize them back regardless of the casualties inflicted on those that stole/seized them.

Don’t forget Scottish and Welsh regiments have been decimated over the last 40 years. They wouldn’t stand much of a chance if an internal conflict occurred.
Michael5482
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greenmark wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:59 am
sionascaig wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:55 am
ForFolksSake wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:40 am
Farage is our Messiah!
How's Brexit working out for you.

Messiah's, in general, way over-rated in my opinion...

On a more positive note....


Screenshot 2024-12-30 095809.png



Go Reform Go!!!
Brexit is now proven to be nothing more than xenophobically suicidal financial idiocy.
Introduce friction in trade with your biggest market? Genius!!! Brexit was beyond cretinous.
Our GDP has flatlined since 2016. Not so bad? Our G7 peers are doing better. We are predicted to see a reduction in GDP of 4% over the next 10years.
So brexit ain't that good for me.
The EU is failing it was set up with good intentions(free trading for example everyone get's that) but they turned it into a political union wanting to control nation states because it's ran by ideological bureaucrats answerable to no one. What EU president did you ever vote for by the way?

The Euro has been in decline since its inception, populism is on the march across Europe and there is nothing the bureaucrats or left can do about it. Starmer is on thin ice as well, his own back benchers may see to him not the populists.
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