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wearthefoxhat
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:05 am
Thought I would try Abacus based on the good reviews here. Clicked to sign in as an individual then it asked for the name of my Organisation so having clicked as an individual I thought "OK, it's looking for marketing data or an account ID" so I entered a name. Now I can't do anything until I give it CC details and commit to at least one paid month! No matter how I try to delete my 'organisation' I am met with the payment screen. Is this a scam or a con? I tried to re-register myself as an individual but it tells me I already exist. I could use different registration details but that is against my registration format that allows me to easily remember login details. I will be staying with ChatGPT and Gemini until Abacus realise customers can make registration errors, especially if registration requirements/options are not made clear. Why take someone from an individual (free) membership and 'trick' them into a paid membership with no exit? They are not the sort of people I would trust to do business with!

I got to the stage you mentioned, did not enter a companys name in, skipped the step, it still wanted my CC details. (I tried to set up through gmail)

Abacus.png

Unless I'm missing something, there's no free option, it wants $10 for access a month, that's it.

When I highlighted Abacus a while ago, my view was, if I was gonna pay for any A.I. LLM services, it seems to be worth doing through Abacus compared to the $20 for Chat GPT on its own. As GPT continues to be free to access, (and DeepSeek) I'll continue with my journey up until the point I have to pay, that way, the money saved, gets added to my bankroll...etc
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Fugazi
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Been using the deep search function

Massive improvement to gpt. IF gpt ran like that all the time.

Thankfully capitalism shall see to their gatekeeping
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Big Bad Barney
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 12:36 pm
As GPT continues to be free to access, (and DeepSeek) I'll continue with my journey up until the point I have to pay, that way, the money saved, gets added to my bankroll...etc
I pay for ChatGPT purely because I can cut and paste images in. (I don't believe you can do that on the freebie...at least not since I signed up you couldn't). It's text recognition is pretty much flawless. Saved me writing various SQL statements from tabled data screenshots many times...

I noticed last night, you can now upload files into projects and it will interact with the files...etc...not sure how long it's been able to do that for....
foxwood
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Abacus is $10 month - when you sign up you commit to pay for 1 month in advance and you also get 1 month free as it says in the intro - uses GPT-4, Claude and others

Chat is $20 month - that gives you GPT-4 instead of 3.5 on free. Also there are various other paid models and you are not subject to restrictions when busy

To me it's a no brainer at the price for what I do.

With the cheaper price on Abacus you could afford a Medium subscription as well and still save $5 compared to Chat :lol:
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firlandsfarm
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:05 am
Thought I would try Abacus based on the good reviews here. Clicked to sign in as an individual then it asked for the name of my Organisation so having clicked as an individual I thought "OK, it's looking for marketing data or an account ID" so I entered a name. Now I can't do anything until I give it CC details and commit to at least one paid month! No matter how I try to delete my 'organisation' I am met with the payment screen. Is this a scam or a con? I tried to re-register myself as an individual but it tells me I already exist. I could use different registration details but that is against my registration format that allows me to easily remember login details. I will be staying with ChatGPT and Gemini until Abacus realise customers can make registration errors, especially if registration requirements/options are not made clear. Why take someone from an individual (free) membership and 'trick' them into a paid membership with no exit? They are not the sort of people I would trust to do business with!
To all responders ... I have no problem paying $/£10, $/£20 or whatever per month (I knowingly pay for ChatGPT) I just despise an inferred free option should warrant a paid subscription. If you want me to pay just say so, don't think I can be manipulated into paying. .
Fugazi
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Big Bad Barney wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 7:43 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Tue Mar 04, 2025 12:36 pm
As GPT continues to be free to access, (and DeepSeek) I'll continue with my journey up until the point I have to pay, that way, the money saved, gets added to my bankroll...etc
I pay for ChatGPT purely because I can cut and paste images in. (I don't believe you can do that on the freebie...at least not since I signed up you couldn't). It's text recognition is pretty much flawless. Saved me writing various SQL statements from tabled data screenshots many times...

I noticed last night, you can now upload files into projects and it will interact with the files...etc...not sure how long it's been able to do that for....
Just wait until you send it a huge file , a well written task and hit the deep research button.
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Euler
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Difussion applied to a LLM!

https://www.inceptionlabs.ai/news
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ShaunWhite
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Sorting though some old folders I found a gem. I'd given gpt my strategy code and asked it to produce a flow chart.

It did an artists' impression of a flow chart.....
Flow.jpg
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:17 am
Sorting though some old folders I found a gem. I'd given gpt my strategy code and asked it to produce a flow chart.

It did an artists' impression of a flow chart.....
Flow.jpg
Looks more like an instruction how to summon Dark Lord Cthulhu. Or a metro map. It's scary :shock:.

It will take decades for us, bf archeologists, to decode this wedge writing :mrgreen: , but can you, the creator, look briefly and understand base stuff llm compressed into this image? Or it's a total garbage?

Lol, "Srok" sounds like some sci-fi tv series charr name :D .
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wearthefoxhat
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:17 am
Sorting though some old folders I found a gem. I'd given gpt my strategy code and asked it to produce a flow chart.

It did an artists' impression of a flow chart.....
Flow.jpg
That's looks great!

Looks like an actual brain computing a decision process.
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Euler
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My son bumped his car last night and needs a new front bumper. So I've used an AI agent this morning to research the cost of a repair or replacement.

It gave me a load of choices and even interacted with the chatbots on the sites for me.

All done in the background autonomously. Amazing. Saved me an hour or so of doing it myself.
Emtaxx
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Shaun I've just put that picture in chat gpt and now I have your strategy . Thank you!
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ShaunWhite
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Euler wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:32 pm
My son bumped his car last night and needs a new front bumper. So I've used an AI agent this morning to research the cost of a repair or replacement.
Rebuilt a set of carbs from the 60s using chat as a wingman.

Get AI to tell him how to do it himself. Its cheaper and satisfying. 😉.
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ShaunWhite
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napshnap wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:27 am
Lol, "Srok" sounds like some sci-fi tv series charr name :D .
I've given away the fact I use a countal slide loop. :roll:

I'm actually going to miss early version AI when it gets too good, the errors and hallucinations are entertaining. In 50yrs time I can see early AI artworks being valuable.
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napshnap
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 1:24 pm
napshnap wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 7:27 am
Lol, "Srok" sounds like some sci-fi tv series charr name :D .
I've given away the fact I use a countal slide loop. :roll:

I'm actually going to miss early version AI when it gets too good, the errors and hallucinations are entertaining. In 50yrs time I can see early AI artworks being valuable.
some dialog from the future...

"- Aww, look at the Master's childhood drawings.
- Shh, honey, you already reached the daily verbal limit.

- Beep-bop-beep, shut up and keep mining, meat bags!"
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