Today's Horse Racing

[ForFolksSake]

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Wolverhampton 18:30

I think people relied too heavily on TPD here:
Ray Gun looked going alright and came from behind, but not once actually led the field and lost by a nose.

I guess they were not expecting Kate O'Riley to keep on strongly when pressed inside final furlong

[walshy]

Anybody else noticed a delay in bets reaching the ladder in the last couple of races?

Bet Angel isnt freezing as the prices are updating as expected but there has been a delay of up to about 5 or 6 seconds between clicking and seeing the bets appear on the ladder?

Not sure if its just local to me?

Should also add doesnt happen with every bet but does seem to be getting more frequent.

[to75ne]

fine here

[walshy]

Ok fair enough, thanks for the reply.

Issue is still happening here but sounds as though its local to me

[ShaunWhite]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

[jamesedwards]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

What difference do you think it will make?

[LinusP]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

What difference do you think it will make?

Higher match rates and liquidity, apparently testing has shown a lot more being matched than estimated.

[Euler]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

It makes sense to do this. If I offer to the market, I've never understood why there should be a delay.

[napshnap]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

How can this even be predicted, How can this mechanism be transparent enough to us?

I'm absolutely against this, it's gonna unbalance fragile inplay markets and gonna be exploited and manipulated to death by bots (like this cases with money being put to steam nonrunners to manipulate a market), create more controversies (remember crossover mechanism disscussions?) and drain already shrinking liquidity.

Maybe this is suitable for other low-paced markets, but not for horseracing markets. It has its long established "1 sec market rhythm", and this 'passive bet' idea will ruin it and will spook off players. Leave it as it is, it's polished enough.

Absolutely sabotage and unnecessary idea!

ps. So tired of this "arms race in the middle of a drying ocean" sht. Tpd and now this. And for what, to generate more and more pointless data?

[bests3lleruk]

That was very interesting with 'ryans rocket' the even money favourite in a 4-runner chase, unseating the rider at like the second fence, and then it continued to run around riderless and actually over took the eventual 'winner' on the run-in. What was interesting was it still continued to be bet on for small amounts at 1000 while it jumped around? I'm wondering if that is bots backing it, or something to do with automation and Total performance data? Because I kept seeing the 1000 lighting up (albeit for relatively small amounts I take it) - but at the end on inspection I saw £290 was matched at 1000.

[ForFolksSake]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

How can this even be predicted, How can this mechanism be transparent enough to us?

I'm absolutely against this, it's gonna unbalance fragile inplay markets and gonna be exploited and manipulated to death by bots (like this cases with money being put to steam nonrunners to manipulate a market), create more controversies (remember crossover mechanism disscussions?) and drain already shrinking liquidity.

Maybe this is suitable for other low-paced markets, but not for horseracing markets. It has its long established "1 sec market rhythm", and this 'passive bet' idea will ruin it and will spook off players. Leave it as it is, it's polished enough.

Absolutely sabotage and unnecessary idea!

ps. So tired of this "arms race in the middle of a drying ocean" sht. Tpd and now this. And for what, to generate more and more pointless data?

A 'change' is as good as a 'rest'

[napshnap]

Speaking of delays, going to be interesting when Betair roll out the in-running bet delay changes on UK horses. It's already in place on some football and tennis. ..aka no delay on passive bets. ..

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market.

How can this even be predicted, How can this mechanism be transparent enough to us?

I'm absolutely against this, it's gonna unbalance fragile inplay markets and gonna be exploited and manipulated to death by bots (like this cases with money being put to steam nonrunners to manipulate a market), create more controversies (remember crossover mechanism disscussions?) and drain already shrinking liquidity.

Maybe this is suitable for other low-paced markets, but not for horseracing markets. It has its long established "1 sec market rhythm", and this 'passive bet' idea will ruin it and will spook off players. Leave it as it is, it's polished enough.

Absolutely sabotage and unnecessary idea!

ps. So tired of this "arms race in the middle of a drying ocean" sht. Tpd and now this. And for what, to generate more and more pointless data?

A 'change' is as good as a 'rest'

Perfect is the enemy of good

[Filip22]

That was very interesting with 'ryans rocket' the even money favourite in a 4-runner chase, unseating the rider at like the second fence, and then it continued to run around riderless and actually over took the eventual 'winner' on the run-in. What was interesting was it still continued to be bet on for small amounts at 1000 while it jumped around? I'm wondering if that is bots backing it, or something to do with automation and Total performance data? Because I kept seeing the 1000 lighting up (albeit for relatively small amounts I take it) - but at the end on inspection I saw £290 was matched at 1000.

Maybe someones doesnt know the rules

[ShaunWhite]

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market. [/color]

How can this even be predicted, How can this mechanism be transparent enough to us?

aka Offering vs taking.

[napshnap]

BF : A 'passive' bet is when a bet is sent into the market and is not going to match initially. Instead of entering the in-play delay, in-play bets will go straight into the market. [/color]

How can this even be predicted, How can this mechanism be transparent enough to us?

aka Offering vs taking.

Still don't get it, I know that there are: bet placing, bet replacing, bet cancelation - it's clear and proven over the years mechanics. Afaik, there are no such parameters in bf's api, so, it's some abstraction and there is no place for such unclarity in rapidly changing hracing markets. Inplay is not the place for a crazy hft sht.

Ok, I'm a dum-dum, so help me to understand it: let's say we have some really weak market, it turns inplay and, few mil secs after, a manipulators money appears on really big lay prices of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th favs, after 1-3 mil secs the manipulator cancels these unmatched orders. He's goal is to make an impression that something happened, to trigger other players bots to back the fav. And then there are some players who know the manipulator's strategy and they also put their orders to counter him. Are you starting to understand what kind of mess this could turn out to be? How this situation can be managed while staying transparent for all players?? And I gave only one example.
And what about "front runners" (not horses) who jump infront of your orders - that's gonna be some crazy leapfroging on hft steroids! Imagine how many complaints there will be that someone is constantly "stealing" their orders (or, more precisely, their matchings)!

Only manipulative parasitic assholes will benefit from this.

It will turn inplay hracing markets into hft hell. My hair stands on end when I think about it!