It's better than intransigence.
Whip rules amended following BHA review
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra ... es/935191/
New Whip Rules
Tony McCoy banned under the new whip rules for the first time - http://www.cheltenhambettingtips.co.uk/ ... um=twitter
"It was barely a flick – I'd have done more good if I'd have patted him I think. With the rules as they are, that is what you get five days for.
"You see jockeys like Brian Harding, Richard Hills and Joe Fanning (getting suspensions). Someone told me Joe Fanning hadn't had a suspension for 20 years.
"You feel a little bit sorry for the owners, as that horse would probably have won six weeks ago. That's the way it is. You are doing your best to get them running – it's all about being competitive and you try to keep within the rules. I feel sorry for the owners and a little bit for the sport, too. I used to think this was probably the best place to be riding in the world, but you worry what every other country in the world now thinks of you."
Nuff said...
Jeff
"It was barely a flick – I'd have done more good if I'd have patted him I think. With the rules as they are, that is what you get five days for.
"You see jockeys like Brian Harding, Richard Hills and Joe Fanning (getting suspensions). Someone told me Joe Fanning hadn't had a suspension for 20 years.
"You feel a little bit sorry for the owners, as that horse would probably have won six weeks ago. That's the way it is. You are doing your best to get them running – it's all about being competitive and you try to keep within the rules. I feel sorry for the owners and a little bit for the sport, too. I used to think this was probably the best place to be riding in the world, but you worry what every other country in the world now thinks of you."
Nuff said...
Jeff
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psycho040253
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Don't the BHA think anything through first?
Seem like a case of Ready, Fire, AIM.
Maybe we should change the BHA, not the whip rules.
The UK is becoming a laughing stock.
Psycho
Seem like a case of Ready, Fire, AIM.
Maybe we should change the BHA, not the whip rules.
The UK is becoming a laughing stock.
Psycho
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superfrank
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David Yates on RUK only refers to them as the Benny Hill Association now.
All they need to do is issue an apology and the problem is solved... "after reviewing the impact of the new whip rules we have realised that they are stupid and should never have been implemented. we have therefore decided to scrap the new rules and cancel any jockey bans incurred because of them. we are deeply sorry for all the inconvenience caused and the damage we have done to the sport. in future we will seek to defend our sport instead of trying to make friends with a few liberals in the media. BHA".
All they need to do is issue an apology and the problem is solved... "after reviewing the impact of the new whip rules we have realised that they are stupid and should never have been implemented. we have therefore decided to scrap the new rules and cancel any jockey bans incurred because of them. we are deeply sorry for all the inconvenience caused and the damage we have done to the sport. in future we will seek to defend our sport instead of trying to make friends with a few liberals in the media. BHA".
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SilentDave
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NH racing is in self-destruct mode. The rules really need looking at again.
Chris Timmons rode a winner at Fontwell on Friday on Azulada Bay.
Last year, he quite rightly picked up a 28 day ban for not riding his horse out after getting caught on the line when clear.
It was heavy ground on Friday and he was clear at the last but gave the horse 3 reminders with the pro-cushion (it is no longer a a whip). If a horse stops on heavy ground over 3m3f it won't get going again so imho he did the right thing by keeping the horse up to his work. Once the jockey in second saw that the leader wasn't tiring he eased his mount right down. Timmons eased up himself (after the 3 strikes) once he saw the 2nd was eased and coasted home to win by 34 lengths.
So far so good you might think but he picked up a 2 day whip ban for hitting his mount (3 times) when clear! Now this is a young jockey who recently was banned for dropping his hands and now gets a ban for striking his mount 3 times to make sure he stays on to the line over 3m3f in heavy ground.
The obsession with the whip is getting out of hand with the stewards seemingly interested in nothing else.
It's certainly a good time if you just want to give your horse a quiet run round...
Someone needs to get a grip as this just isn't working at the moment and we face the prospect of top jocks like McCoy and Walsh missing the showcase events. I don't see how any of this can be good for racing.
Chris Timmons rode a winner at Fontwell on Friday on Azulada Bay.
Last year, he quite rightly picked up a 28 day ban for not riding his horse out after getting caught on the line when clear.
It was heavy ground on Friday and he was clear at the last but gave the horse 3 reminders with the pro-cushion (it is no longer a a whip). If a horse stops on heavy ground over 3m3f it won't get going again so imho he did the right thing by keeping the horse up to his work. Once the jockey in second saw that the leader wasn't tiring he eased his mount right down. Timmons eased up himself (after the 3 strikes) once he saw the 2nd was eased and coasted home to win by 34 lengths.
So far so good you might think but he picked up a 2 day whip ban for hitting his mount (3 times) when clear! Now this is a young jockey who recently was banned for dropping his hands and now gets a ban for striking his mount 3 times to make sure he stays on to the line over 3m3f in heavy ground.
The obsession with the whip is getting out of hand with the stewards seemingly interested in nothing else.
It's certainly a good time if you just want to give your horse a quiet run round...
Someone needs to get a grip as this just isn't working at the moment and we face the prospect of top jocks like McCoy and Walsh missing the showcase events. I don't see how any of this can be good for racing.
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andyfuller
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You can't blame the stewards at all! They have been given a set of rules with no flexibility so they are powerless to do anything but enforce them. You strike once more than allowed you get a ban. They have no discretion at all. It is the BHA that have imposed the rules upon the stewards so for once we shouldn't be having a go at the stewards, just the BHA.
Also I wish the media would stop saying, 'smack', 'hit', 'crack' etc etc it doesn't do anyone any favours. It should be words like 'he gave the horse 2 lots of encouragement' or '2 reminders to keep up his work'.
Using the other kind of language does no one any favours and is part of the problem that has got us to this mess. I reminded Mick Fitz of this the other day after he said he gave the horse 3 good smacks....he has not replied
Also I wish the media would stop saying, 'smack', 'hit', 'crack' etc etc it doesn't do anyone any favours. It should be words like 'he gave the horse 2 lots of encouragement' or '2 reminders to keep up his work'.
Using the other kind of language does no one any favours and is part of the problem that has got us to this mess. I reminded Mick Fitz of this the other day after he said he gave the horse 3 good smacks....he has not replied
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SilentDave
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Andy, I agree that in most cases the stewards' hands are tied (9 is more than 8, it is black and white) but they seem intent on being bloody minded even where they can use their discretion.
The case at Fontwell on Friday involved the jockey giving 3 reminders to keep his mount up to his work - this is 5 less than the 8 allowed and any horseman would know that once a horse stops on heavy ground then you will not get him going again. In the previous 2 races horses with a comfortable lead had been collared on the line (Fontwell has a surprisingly stiff uphill finish). The jockey had been done for dropping his hands within the past 12 months so wasn't going to ease down until he was 100% sure he was out of touch of the second.
They seem intent on creating controversy when a little common sense wouldn't go amiss.
The case at Fontwell on Friday involved the jockey giving 3 reminders to keep his mount up to his work - this is 5 less than the 8 allowed and any horseman would know that once a horse stops on heavy ground then you will not get him going again. In the previous 2 races horses with a comfortable lead had been collared on the line (Fontwell has a surprisingly stiff uphill finish). The jockey had been done for dropping his hands within the past 12 months so wasn't going to ease down until he was 100% sure he was out of touch of the second.
They seem intent on creating controversy when a little common sense wouldn't go amiss.