Hi
I have a few suggestions for you to take in to consideration.
1.Drip feed – If a drip feed is set correctly I feel this would be good feature for bet angel. It can be used in or out of play on many markets. Using this alongside Bet angels other features like offsets could create a lot more opportunities to make some money. It could also be set up to dutch or lay certain runners though out an event .
2. Book percentage on the 3 ladder interface .I use the under /over round a lot when trading and get very disorientated without it, especially in big markets. If you feel that there is not enough room on the current 3 ladder page. Maybe it could be undocked from elsewhere.
3. green book trigger- if your book is in profit or loss to a set targets BA closes all positions .This can also be used in reverse as a stop loss .This feature would be very good for fast moving in play markets (as long as all bets are matched).Could also be used in bet guardian.
4. Projected sp on the ladder . I get caught out sometimes by waiting for the sp and losing more ticks than I would have done just closing out .
5. selection of preset stakes- Depending on the liquidity in the market i like to adjust stakes accordingly. For example
Preset 1 - £2 £4 £8 £16 £32 £64
Preset 2 - £25 £50 £100 £200 £300 £400
Preset 3 – £100 £250 £500 £1000 £2000 £4000
6.(Soccer mystic) allow predicted data to be used in excel.
7.Auto take sp or keep all – it would be a good addition if you make this feature available .I have tried to this in excel but found it did not quit work right. I have just bought a book called (step by step office excel 2007 visual basic for applications )So I will try again at a later date.
I know some of these suggestions have been mentioned by other BA uses on the forum already.But these are the features i would most like to see added.
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Remembering positions and sizes of charts is a little tricky inside the old code but the new code allows us to do this. If you look in Guardian we have done this and you can save the settings. Our idea is that as we 'run out of screen space' we can offer you the chance to move dock, undock and remove items you don't need or want to give less preference to. You will see this roll out from Guardian to the other screens but we will do this gradually so we don't upset your existing trading patterns. Nothing worse than clicking on the wrong thing unintentionally!
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andyfuller
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Sounds good - I watched the Guardian videos and liked the way the way you can change the layout etc and save it. I don't personally use guardian but look forward to these features being added to the rest of Bet Angel.
Could I make a suggestion with regards to saving screen space - on the ladder interface there are a lot of options such as Ladder Style, Highlight traded odds, enhance ladder, Full market depth, chart settings etc etc. I would have thought that people dont change these settings very often (I may be wrong) and therefore don't need such easy access to them. So instead could be placed in the Rules tab where most other setting are.
If they were moved there it would allow more space for perhaps a matched bets box on the ladder or just allow more rows to be displayed.
Keep up the good work.
Could I make a suggestion with regards to saving screen space - on the ladder interface there are a lot of options such as Ladder Style, Highlight traded odds, enhance ladder, Full market depth, chart settings etc etc. I would have thought that people dont change these settings very often (I may be wrong) and therefore don't need such easy access to them. So instead could be placed in the Rules tab where most other setting are.
If they were moved there it would allow more space for perhaps a matched bets box on the ladder or just allow more rows to be displayed.
Keep up the good work.
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TheRiddler
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Could I make a suggestion with regards to saving screen space - on the ladder interface there are a lot of options such as Ladder Style, Highlight traded odds, enhance ladder, Full market depth, chart settings etc etc. I would have thought that people dont change these settings very often (I may be wrong) and therefore don't need such easy access to them. So instead could be placed in the Rules tab where most other setting are.
If they were moved there it would allow more space for perhaps a matched bets box on the ladder or just allow more rows to be displayed.
Or making this area undockable so as to free this space up.
If they were moved there it would allow more space for perhaps a matched bets box on the ladder or just allow more rows to be displayed.
Or making this area undockable so as to free this space up.
I have another area started on the other forum, but I will post a starter here, and then bring the rest over later.
I would think by now, that the 2 simplest additions would have been added. But alas, people seem to like complicated rather than basic.
Well, here you go.
LAST TRADED PRICE.
VOLUME TRADED PER SELECTION.
How these 2 extremely important bits of information aren't already included is beyond me.
Personally, I would like to see them included on every selection in both the grid, and the ladder.
I would think by now, that the 2 simplest additions would have been added. But alas, people seem to like complicated rather than basic.
Well, here you go.
LAST TRADED PRICE.
VOLUME TRADED PER SELECTION.
How these 2 extremely important bits of information aren't already included is beyond me.
Personally, I would like to see them included on every selection in both the grid, and the ladder.
Not sure if posting the link will allow people to see, if there is a login restriction, so will do some copy pasting.
Ok. I know I have another topic somewhere about this, but I will find it later and update it. Right now, I have 1 thing on my mind (sad I know), but this is what I would like to see.
Scenario:
I have 1,000 dollars sitting at 2.0. I can see this in the ladder, right next to the odds. My preset stakes are 1,000 and all numbers above that (not important, just know that 1,000 is the lowest stake).
700 of my bet gets matched.
Now, using the net stake button, I place a lay bet at 1.99 (don't need to know the dangers of this scenario and such a tight trade, just remember this is hypothetical Smiley).
This lay bet is 700.
Slow market so that isn't touched yet, and my 300 back is still waiting.
Now, 5,000 dollars joins me on 1.99.
I know my 300 will get filled, but there is no way I can prepare that bet without manual interference.
What I propose is this:
A right click on the waiting bet, will set the stake to that amount.
Now, I have a 300 back waiting at 2.00
A 700 lay bet at 1.99.
I can now right click on the 300 waiting bet, to have the rest of the bet ready to fire in.
Right now, I have to either cancel the 700 lay bet, putting me then to the back of the queue. Or I can wait for that to get filled and then net it again.
Or of course I can manually change to 300 to get it ready.
I think this would be very useful. And I probably could have got the same message across in a couple of lines, but you will all have to deal with that. Smiley
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I think I bought this up before but:
In the auto stake liability mode, the option should be there to set both to the lay liability or back liability. Right now this is how it sits:
3.00 horse.
1000 liability. To back the horse, your standard back amount is 1000, and your standard lay amount is 333. Now I don't know how anybody else trades, but I don't use the standard bet, purely because it is unrealistic to expect to bet 3 times as much on a back bet, than a lay bet, the same way that you wouldn't lay for 3 times as much when laying a short odds on pop.
Now if you think about it a little more, you get this scenario (with my proposal):
Lay liability of 1000.
Lay odds of 3.00, Back odds of 3.05.
Standard liability shows, if you want to lay, your odds are 333, and if you want to back, your odds are 327.8. Now if you think about that a little more, what you get, is 2 clicks, already greened up.
Now rather than stopping there, I think the standard amount, should be just a guide. The actual bet that gets placed, should be determined by the odds of the square that you click in. You click to back at odds of 4 when the market is at 3-3.05, then the amount put on should be 250.
You can trade any race, at any odds, and all you have to do is click to back, click to lay. Assuming your requests get matched at your proposed odds, you have already greened up.
Now if you wish to play in running, with jumpy odds, sometimes with very few offers out on the table, then you could put your bet on at whatever odds you want, because your bet amount is determined purely by the odds you request, and the liability you have set.
Now. I will be a little bit honest here. Binarysoft used this exact method, and is one of the main reasons it was the software of my choice. I can't claim to have thought it up, but have seen it in action, and is very effective, and makes too much sense. Much more sense than having a standard bet 3 times the amount of your lay bet. Take it a little further, out to 50-1 odds. Your options with the standard bet, are 20 dollars to lay, 1000 to bet. If you are only prepared to lay for 20 dollars, then surely you would never back for 1000 at those odds?
Top of the list currently. We are glad the forum is being used well to express some of these points clearly, as it gives us a lot of focus.
We are currently working on a redesign based on a number suggestions but with the intention to allow users to decide what they want to see and where. Will take a little bit of time but the suggestions are very welcome as it will influence how we go through the critical design stage.
We are currently working on a redesign based on a number suggestions but with the intention to allow users to decide what they want to see and where. Will take a little bit of time but the suggestions are very welcome as it will influence how we go through the critical design stage.
The other thing on the top of my mind at the moment, is the ability to sort the list of selections. Very hard to compare bookmaker prices with Betfair, when they are in a completely random order. Well, obviously not random, but out of whack anyway.
And another thing I would like, is the reduction factor of runners shown.
As somebody open to the idea of arbitrage trading, these 2 things I would think would be a must if you were to attempt it.
And another thing I would like, is the reduction factor of runners shown.
As somebody open to the idea of arbitrage trading, these 2 things I would think would be a must if you were to attempt it.
Ok, here is something that would be valuable for me.
The ability to reset the net amount, so any future bets on that selection would be independant of anything pre reset.
What I mean, if I worded it badly, is this.
Say I not only want to trade a runner, but I also want to bet on it.
Selection is 2.00. I lay it, or back it for that matter, for 1,000 @ 2.00. Now, my net position, is 1,000.
What I would want, is to have the ability to exclude that bet from any future net position. Ideally you would be able to select a bet to exclude from net.
Main thing this would benefit, would be any potential arbitrage opportunities between exchanges. You could exclude these bets from your trading on that selection.
An opportunity arises on another exchange, you trade it there. Then you have a zero trade position, even though you have a decent liability on that runner. You can trade it now for any amount, using any of the green out options, and it will only trade out any amount not including that initial bet. Then, you can also do the same thing again. Have another bet, that you can exclude again from any future trading you wish to do on that runner.
Maybe you could have something like a check box for Independant bet. Select that when you wish to place a bet that you do not wish to trade. Place the bet. Unselect the box, and get back to your trading. If another opportunity comes up, you select the box again, put the bet on, unselect it, and trade away.
I know this would personally make things alot easier for me, who tries to have alot of strings to my bow, rather than purely trading a single selection, on a single exchange.
Hopefully my rewording of this a few times has clued people on to what I am actually talking about. Probably a clean way to say what I want that isn't so longwinded, but is already done now, so deal with it.
The ability to reset the net amount, so any future bets on that selection would be independant of anything pre reset.
What I mean, if I worded it badly, is this.
Say I not only want to trade a runner, but I also want to bet on it.
Selection is 2.00. I lay it, or back it for that matter, for 1,000 @ 2.00. Now, my net position, is 1,000.
What I would want, is to have the ability to exclude that bet from any future net position. Ideally you would be able to select a bet to exclude from net.
Main thing this would benefit, would be any potential arbitrage opportunities between exchanges. You could exclude these bets from your trading on that selection.
An opportunity arises on another exchange, you trade it there. Then you have a zero trade position, even though you have a decent liability on that runner. You can trade it now for any amount, using any of the green out options, and it will only trade out any amount not including that initial bet. Then, you can also do the same thing again. Have another bet, that you can exclude again from any future trading you wish to do on that runner.
Maybe you could have something like a check box for Independant bet. Select that when you wish to place a bet that you do not wish to trade. Place the bet. Unselect the box, and get back to your trading. If another opportunity comes up, you select the box again, put the bet on, unselect it, and trade away.
I know this would personally make things alot easier for me, who tries to have alot of strings to my bow, rather than purely trading a single selection, on a single exchange.
Hopefully my rewording of this a few times has clued people on to what I am actually talking about. Probably a clean way to say what I want that isn't so longwinded, but is already done now, so deal with it.
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Mr. Mister
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@Brent, I agree it'd be great feature - removing the selected matched bets from equation.
I asked about it in 2007 when I attended BetAngel seminar in Kempton.
I do a lot of arbing and have many one-sided positions (backs and lays) then I can't trade those markets - I mean I can trade them but it's not easy and definitely it's not the best idea to use green-up button.
Currently, I have no choice as to use 2 BF accounts and spread my betting balance. The problem is with Aus wallet markets as it is not allowed to have 2 BF accounts according to Aus low.
I asked about it in 2007 when I attended BetAngel seminar in Kempton.
I do a lot of arbing and have many one-sided positions (backs and lays) then I can't trade those markets - I mean I can trade them but it's not easy and definitely it's not the best idea to use green-up button.
Currently, I have no choice as to use 2 BF accounts and spread my betting balance. The problem is with Aus wallet markets as it is not allowed to have 2 BF accounts according to Aus low.
I have a couple of suggestions regarding Guardian on the 'Horse Racing - Todays Card'.
Have a check box 'enable rolling Win UK & Ire markets' with a number box next to it which is greyed out until you enable the check box.
What Guardian does is automatically load up the number of Win race markets that have been selected in the number box and adds another when a race has been settled and removed.So you always have the set number of races added. This negates the need for wasting valuable time adding and removing the markets all the time.
It should be easy for BA to select the Win races as they are the ones that don't have any () brackets in the race name.
It would also be great if when they are added they are coloured blue for RUK and red for ATR.
Have a check box 'enable rolling Win UK & Ire markets' with a number box next to it which is greyed out until you enable the check box.
What Guardian does is automatically load up the number of Win race markets that have been selected in the number box and adds another when a race has been settled and removed.So you always have the set number of races added. This negates the need for wasting valuable time adding and removing the markets all the time.
It should be easy for BA to select the Win races as they are the ones that don't have any () brackets in the race name.
It would also be great if when they are added they are coloured blue for RUK and red for ATR.
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rogerpalmtree
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It would be useful to be able to green up in the one click screen after you have used the dutching/bookmaking feature. I'm sure there is a reason why this isn't possible, and the only way to do this at present is to close bet angel and open it again.