The link to active markets says data is available for Lingfield, but nothing is coming thru to Bet Angel.
Telegram channel has other users saying same.
Opinions on TPD - is it worthwhile?
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ilovepizza82
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I noticed smth odd on their telegram group.
Every time someone ask them about if there is any timeline or if there will be any new course added in the nearest time they never answer the question. Should i assume they are not planning ? Anyone knows anythin ?
Every time someone ask them about if there is any timeline or if there will be any new course added in the nearest time they never answer the question. Should i assume they are not planning ? Anyone knows anythin ?
It's clear what they can and can't offer.
Half the racecourse in the UK (to summarise) are owned by the ARC group, where TPD is present.
The remainder (to summarise) are owned by RMG, where TPD is not present.
It's as simple as that.
I'd imagine new courses will come online now and again, but that is the core lay of the land. Nothing complicated.
Half the racecourse in the UK (to summarise) are owned by the ARC group, where TPD is present.
The remainder (to summarise) are owned by RMG, where TPD is not present.
It's as simple as that.
I'd imagine new courses will come online now and again, but that is the core lay of the land. Nothing complicated.
Hi used it for a couple of days, took me a while to set it up as per the bet angel video screen, maybe a video to show the set up would be helpful for other users. First day runners went off and there was a good 5 second delay before the market went into play, my tactic was to lay scalp in running looking at distance to leader, first race was over 2m, got 3 good scalps on, market responded some 3 to 4 seconds after I had entered a trade, so far so very good, similar results in the longer races that day.
Yesterday only tracks covered were all weather, so shorter races, notable that the four second delay from the previous day was down to one second, so little or no advantage there, just as dangerous entering a 6f using this software backing or laying as using live pictures IMO.
Could someone tell me if bet angel still have the option to show the race live? I had my ipad next to my screen which is not ideal, on the betfair live screen you cant move the race video around the screen in order to fit everything in.
In all enjoying it so far, yes it gives you an advantage over camera angles but still takes some mastering, certainly for me trying it out for month should give you some idea if you can gain a clear advantage , as I said so far I would leave the sprints alone, going to be looking at place angles in the next few days.
Yesterday only tracks covered were all weather, so shorter races, notable that the four second delay from the previous day was down to one second, so little or no advantage there, just as dangerous entering a 6f using this software backing or laying as using live pictures IMO.
Could someone tell me if bet angel still have the option to show the race live? I had my ipad next to my screen which is not ideal, on the betfair live screen you cant move the race video around the screen in order to fit everything in.
In all enjoying it so far, yes it gives you an advantage over camera angles but still takes some mastering, certainly for me trying it out for month should give you some idea if you can gain a clear advantage , as I said so far I would leave the sprints alone, going to be looking at place angles in the next few days.
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jamesedwards
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Tampa Bay 18:38 R3 on 31/12/21. As the winner crossed the line TPD data showed it was in last position and 59 lengths behind the leader.
Triangulationdecomez6 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:15 amcustom ranking is more accurate when done using the current prices (refreshed at every instance). in my opinion , Bf Algo are the most accurate representation of IP% chances of the horse winning the race .
i think its safer to include an additional price custom ranking rule . this should work to complement the TPD custom ranking. BOTH must be in the affirmative before a bet is placed.
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jamesedwards
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TPD automation alone makes me 5 figures per year. It also adds significant, though incalculable, profitability to my manual trading.
I think many expect it to unlock easy profit by beating the market to winners as they cross the line. They are quickly disappointed as current GPS tech is not accurate or fast enough to be hammering 1.01. But it is very useful to build up a data-driven picture of the race as it unfolds and to highlight mid-race value. In summary, don't expect it to give you a speed and accuracy advantage - expect it to give you a data advantage.
It's worth noting that the data accuracy at the recently added RMG tracks remains questionable imo. Although still very useful to aid manual trading, I currently only switch on automation at ARC tracks.
I think many expect it to unlock easy profit by beating the market to winners as they cross the line. They are quickly disappointed as current GPS tech is not accurate or fast enough to be hammering 1.01. But it is very useful to build up a data-driven picture of the race as it unfolds and to highlight mid-race value. In summary, don't expect it to give you a speed and accuracy advantage - expect it to give you a data advantage.
It's worth noting that the data accuracy at the recently added RMG tracks remains questionable imo. Although still very useful to aid manual trading, I currently only switch on automation at ARC tracks.
It does feel like that's what a lot of people are doing. Just something simple like, 'Has it won'. I don't see any value in that at all.jamesedwards wrote: ↑Thu Aug 07, 2025 2:38 pmTPD automation alone makes me 5 figures per year. It also adds significant, though incalculable, profitability to my manual trading.
I think many expect it to unlock easy profit by beating the market to winners as they cross the line. They are quickly disappointed as current GPS tech is not accurate or fast enough to be hammering 1.01. But it is very useful to build up a data-driven picture of the race as it unfolds and to highlight mid-race value. In summary, don't expect it to give you a speed and accuracy advantage - expect it to give you a data advantage.
It's worth noting that the data accuracy at the recently added RMG tracks remains questionable imo. Although still very useful to aid manual trading, I currently only switch on automation at ARC tracks.
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jamesedwards
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Just re-read the thread and see this post from me back in 2021. It seems I was guilty of exactly what I just advised against.jamesedwards wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:29 pmI would be very interested to see how Bet Angel users are getting on.
I signed up to Bet Mover for a month or two at the beginning of the year and it wasn't worth the money as the accuracy just wasn't there. It often called the wrong winner, perhaps 10-15% of the time. And occasionally it would be missing a horse completely as if it didn't exist!
Perhaps accuracy will improve with time but for now I'm treating it very much as a watching brief.
I currently don't use TPD Subscription (nor betangel for this) I use Python and the feed direct (unfortunately it doesn't include the RMG courses yet)
As soon as I know the RMG feed is accurate (and by many sources it isn't there yet) Ill add a TPD subscription and send the SV's to Python via betangel. I hope TPD include the reassignment error codes as I would be very reluctant to use it without that. If the assignments are wrong then that could cost you big time
It took me a while to get this profitable, and I had some great help/pointers from others
(PS There is so much you can do with the Betangel API that is so difficult to do with SV's etc, worth while spending some time learning how to do it)
As soon as I know the RMG feed is accurate (and by many sources it isn't there yet) Ill add a TPD subscription and send the SV's to Python via betangel. I hope TPD include the reassignment error codes as I would be very reluctant to use it without that. If the assignments are wrong then that could cost you big time
It took me a while to get this profitable, and I had some great help/pointers from others
(PS There is so much you can do with the Betangel API that is so difficult to do with SV's etc, worth while spending some time learning how to do it)
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