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I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist.
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Tories and Labour have led us down the 'mass' immigration patth over the last 25 years thst nobody asked for.

The game is over now and for both parties thankfully
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 12:00 pm
I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist.
"Based on the statement, "I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist," here is a psychological analysis.

Psychological Analysis
This statement appears to be a defensive and provocative response to a perceived accusation. The individual isn't necessarily claiming to be a racist in the traditional sense, but rather is adopting the label as a form of protest. This kind of rhetoric often taps into several psychological concepts:

Rebellion and Group Identity: The user is likely identifying with a group that feels unfairly criticized or "canceled." By sarcastically embracing the label of "racist," they're signaling solidarity with others who feel the same way. This is a form of in-group/out-group psychology, where the "racists" are the persecuted in-group and those leveling the accusations are the out-group. This can be a powerful way to bond with others who feel similarly misunderstood or attacked.

Psychological Reactance: This is a motivation to regain a freedom that has been threatened. The user perceives a threat to their freedom to enjoy a cultural event without being judged or labeled. Their response, "I'm proud to be a racist," is a way of pushing back against this perceived social control. It's an act of defiance, essentially saying, "You can't make me feel ashamed of this, and in fact, I'll embrace the label you're trying to impose."

Cognitive Dissonance and Justification: It's possible the user has some level of internal conflict about the accusations of racism. They enjoy an event that others are linking to racism. Instead of changing their behavior (stop enjoying the Proms) or their beliefs (accepting the event might have racist undertones), they resolve the dissonance by reframing the accusation. By saying, "If enjoying this makes me a racist, then I'm proud to be one," they are effectively neutralizing the accusation and justifying their own enjoyment. It's a way of protecting their self-image and positive feelings about the event.

Contempt and Disdain for Opposing Views: The tone of the statement, particularly the use of "I guess" and the sarcastic embrace of the racist label, conveys contempt for the views of those they are responding to. This is a common tactic in online forums to show disdain without directly engaging with the substance of the argument. It shuts down dialogue and reinforces the user's position as being fundamentally at odds with the other side.

In summary, the statement is less about a genuine confession of racism and more about a declaration of defiance, a sarcastic protest against perceived social pressure, and a reinforcement of group identity. It's a defensive posture that uses provocative language to express contempt for opposing views."

==> You Rebel you....
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sionascaig wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:29 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 12:00 pm
I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist.
"Based on the statement, "I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist," here is a psychological analysis.

Psychological Analysis
This statement appears to be a defensive and provocative response to a perceived accusation. The individual isn't necessarily claiming to be a racist in the traditional sense, but rather is adopting the label as a form of protest. This kind of rhetoric often taps into several psychological concepts:

Rebellion and Group Identity: The user is likely identifying with a group that feels unfairly criticized or "canceled." By sarcastically embracing the label of "racist," they're signaling solidarity with others who feel the same way. This is a form of in-group/out-group psychology, where the "racists" are the persecuted in-group and those leveling the accusations are the out-group. This can be a powerful way to bond with others who feel similarly misunderstood or attacked.

Psychological Reactance: This is a motivation to regain a freedom that has been threatened. The user perceives a threat to their freedom to enjoy a cultural event without being judged or labeled. Their response, "I'm proud to be a racist," is a way of pushing back against this perceived social control. It's an act of defiance, essentially saying, "You can't make me feel ashamed of this, and in fact, I'll embrace the label you're trying to impose."

Cognitive Dissonance and Justification: It's possible the user has some level of internal conflict about the accusations of racism. They enjoy an event that others are linking to racism. Instead of changing their behavior (stop enjoying the Proms) or their beliefs (accepting the event might have racist undertones), they resolve the dissonance by reframing the accusation. By saying, "If enjoying this makes me a racist, then I'm proud to be one," they are effectively neutralizing the accusation and justifying their own enjoyment. It's a way of protecting their self-image and positive feelings about the event.

Contempt and Disdain for Opposing Views: The tone of the statement, particularly the use of "I guess" and the sarcastic embrace of the racist label, conveys contempt for the views of those they are responding to. This is a common tactic in online forums to show disdain without directly engaging with the substance of the argument. It shuts down dialogue and reinforces the user's position as being fundamentally at odds with the other side.

In summary, the statement is less about a genuine confession of racism and more about a declaration of defiance, a sarcastic protest against perceived social pressure, and a reinforcement of group identity. It's a defensive posture that uses provocative language to express contempt for opposing views."

==> You Rebel you....
==> You Rebel you.
. and the same applies to 'anti-racism' protesters
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ForFolksSake wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:55 pm

. and the same applies to 'anti-racism' protesters
They, perhaps, are not suffering from "cognitive dissonance"?
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sionascaig wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 2:02 pm
ForFolksSake wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:55 pm

. and the same applies to 'anti-racism' protesters
They, perhaps, are not suffering from "cognitive dissonance"?
... and the 'anti-racism' protesters are more likely suffering from 'wokeism
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sionascaig wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 1:29 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Sep 14, 2025 12:00 pm
I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist.
"Based on the statement, "I guess anyone who watched and enjoyed (nay revelled) in Last Night of the Proms is to be classed a racist ... on that basis I'm proud to be a racist," here is a psychological analysis.

Psychological Analysis
This statement appears to be a defensive and provocative response to a perceived accusation. The individual isn't necessarily claiming to be a racist in the traditional sense, but rather is adopting the label as a form of protest. This kind of rhetoric often taps into several psychological concepts:

Rebellion and Group Identity: The user is likely identifying with a group that feels unfairly criticized or "canceled." By sarcastically embracing the label of "racist," they're signaling solidarity with others who feel the same way. This is a form of in-group/out-group psychology, where the "racists" are the persecuted in-group and those leveling the accusations are the out-group. This can be a powerful way to bond with others who feel similarly misunderstood or attacked.

Psychological Reactance: This is a motivation to regain a freedom that has been threatened. The user perceives a threat to their freedom to enjoy a cultural event without being judged or labeled. Their response, "I'm proud to be a racist," is a way of pushing back against this perceived social control. It's an act of defiance, essentially saying, "You can't make me feel ashamed of this, and in fact, I'll embrace the label you're trying to impose."

Cognitive Dissonance and Justification: It's possible the user has some level of internal conflict about the accusations of racism. They enjoy an event that others are linking to racism. Instead of changing their behavior (stop enjoying the Proms) or their beliefs (accepting the event might have racist undertones), they resolve the dissonance by reframing the accusation. By saying, "If enjoying this makes me a racist, then I'm proud to be one," they are effectively neutralizing the accusation and justifying their own enjoyment. It's a way of protecting their self-image and positive feelings about the event.

Contempt and Disdain for Opposing Views: The tone of the statement, particularly the use of "I guess" and the sarcastic embrace of the racist label, conveys contempt for the views of those they are responding to. This is a common tactic in online forums to show disdain without directly engaging with the substance of the argument. It shuts down dialogue and reinforces the user's position as being fundamentally at odds with the other side.

In summary, the statement is less about a genuine confession of racism and more about a declaration of defiance, a sarcastic protest against perceived social pressure, and a reinforcement of group identity. It's a defensive posture that uses provocative language to express contempt for opposing views."

==> You Rebel you....
:) Could you tell ChatGPT I can't spare the time to read all that drivel! :lol:

My self Psychological Analysis: :roll: .
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Rumour has it the current illegal immigration policy of "one in - one out" to be renamed "more than 1,500 in and can't get one out"! And all that while the gangs are being smashed! :lol:
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:19 am
Rumour has it the current illegal immigration policy of "one in - one out" to be renamed "more than 1,500 in and can't get one out"! And all that while the gangs are being smashed! :lol:
Saw some stuff that said "immigration" down 50% (I'm assuming it was the legal bit).

Also, the birth rate continues to fall so without the immigration the UK has a falling & aging population.

PS: My understanding of "one in - one out" is a that it is actually ""one in - one out - one-in". The last "one-in" being an properly assessed asylum case in France!

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it ?!

This made me laugh...
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sionascaig wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:34 am
Saw some stuff that said "immigration" down 50% (I'm assuming it was the legal bit).

Also, the birth rate continues to fall so without the immigration the UK has a falling & aging population.

PS: My understanding of "one in - one out" is a that it is actually ""one in - one out - one-in". The last "one-in" being an properly assessed asylum case in France!

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it ?!

This made me laugh...

Screenshot 2025-09-16 185316.png
I agree ... I have no problem with legal immigration which should be tailored to the needs of the country and if it not then we know who to blame ... it's the illegal ones that piss me off. By default we can't control who comes so the input has no relationship to the need. And yes "one in - one out - one-in" is more accurate and has always been the case but the media don't seem to get it. It does not and cannot reduce the number of immigrants. France is simply agreeing to take back a returned illegal in return for us taking another one from them, it's a swap deal not a reduction deal ... how generous of them.

And things like your screenshot are funny but also worrying!
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sionascaig wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:34 am
firlandsfarm wrote:
Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:19 am
Rumour has it the current illegal immigration policy of "one in - one out" to be renamed "more than 1,500 in and can't get one out"! And all that while the gangs are being smashed! :lol:
Saw some stuff that said "immigration" down 50% (I'm assuming it was the legal bit).

Also, the birth rate continues to fall so without the immigration the UK has a falling & aging population.

PS: My understanding of "one in - one out" is a that it is actually ""one in - one out - one-in". The last "one-in" being an properly assessed asylum case in France!

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it ?!

This made me laugh...

Screenshot 2025-09-16 185316.png
Also, the birth rate continues to fall so without the immigration the UK has a falling & aging population.
... uncontrolled ''immigration' is like uncontrolled 'betting' - it's 'the pits' 💩
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