New beta version of Bet Angel v1.63.0 beta1

[LeTiss]

Very nice

[Euler]

I have no problems as long as I click 'More actions' > 'keep' > [delete dropdown] 'keep anyway'

Sorted mate. Cheers

Although McAfee and Microsoft defender done their best to block it

It's silly, really, as we have to jump through all sorts of hoops to be certified and pay money for that hassle.

[Bet Angel]

Although McAfee and Microsoft defender done their best to block it

I'd take a serious look at what McAfee is achieving on your PC other than getting in the way and slowing it down.
It's in Microsoft's interest to make Defender as good as possible, so I doubt McAfee is contributing anything.

[Anbell]

Seems like we're never going to get customerStrategyRef & customerOrderRef are we.

When we've been asked for this before, the request was that each Automation Rule could have a different strategyRef and that Automation be separated from manual trading on the same market. That really doesn't work with the way you can dip in and out of markets with one-click/ladder and can switch from one rule file to another during the use of a market. We have so many screens that give a market overview showing current P&L etc and suddenly they'd each need a user selectable strategyFilter.
It would require multiple copies of matched bets / P&L / net stake etc to be maintained for each market (using more memory and CPU) as the bets included for the calculations would change with the strategyRef. Leading on from that we'd probably be asked to separate the log by strategyRef too. Every aspect of the user interface and external links like Excel and the API would need to support the selection of the StrategyRef. When closing a trade or greening, it suddenly has to be qualified as to which strategy it applies to and it'd be very easy for the display to suggest a fully exited position, whereas it's only a subset of the market due to the strategy filter. It's a huge can of worms, so no it's never got close to the top of the development stack.

Hi - thanks for your response. I can see why all of that would be a huge can of worms. Perhaps there's there's a stripped down version where each Automation Rule has a different strategyRef and orderref that is sent with the bet and that's it. Those two pieces of information then belong to each bet which I can look at later when I download my bets from betfair. For example I might have a strategyRef 'BackTheFave' and my orderRef might be 10mins, 5mins, 2mins.

At the end of the month I can see that 'BackTheFave' is breaking even, but that's because the 10min & 5min bets are wiping out the good profits on the 2min bets. It's very useful!

[Bet Angel]

Hi - thanks for your response. I can see why all of that would be a huge can of worms. Perhaps there's there's a stripped down version where each Automation Rule has a different strategyRef and orderref that is sent with the bet and that's it. Those two pieces of information then belong to each bet which I can look at later when I download my bets from betfair. For example I might have a strategyRef 'BackTheFave' and my orderRef might be 10mins, 5mins, 2mins.

At the end of the month I can see that 'BackTheFave' is breaking even, but that's because the 10min & 5min bets are wiping out the good profits on the 2min bets. It's very useful!

Ah, yes that is a different usage of those references and sounds lot more feasible. So their usage is solely for the purpose of tagging betfair website reporting rather than affecting the calculations or display of bet information in Bet Angel. I’ll log that as a separate suggestion and we can look into the technicalitiies

[Anbell]

Hi - thanks for your response. I can see why all of that would be a huge can of worms. Perhaps there's there's a stripped down version where each Automation Rule has a different strategyRef and orderref that is sent with the bet and that's it. Those two pieces of information then belong to each bet which I can look at later when I download my bets from betfair. For example I might have a strategyRef 'BackTheFave' and my orderRef might be 10mins, 5mins, 2mins.

At the end of the month I can see that 'BackTheFave' is breaking even, but that's because the 10min & 5min bets are wiping out the good profits on the 2min bets. It's very useful!

Ah, yes that is a different usage of those references and sounds lot more feasible. So their usage is solely for the purpose of tagging betfair website reporting rather than affecting the calculations or display of bet information in Bet Angel. I’ll log that as a separate suggestion and we can look into the technicalitiies

Amazing. Thanks!
(One technicality: that data isnt on betfair's website reporting. You have to pull the reports using the API: list_cleared_orders/Cleared Orders Report)

[Nero Tulip]

This looks decent, have a silly (and probably lazy too) question as I think I've missed a version or two.. did tennis 2nd serves get added into the score data feed yet ? would love to have this data.

[Bet Angel]

Amazing. Thanks!
(One technicality: that data isnt on betfair's website reporting. You have to pull the reports using the API: list_cleared_orders/Cleared Orders Report)

That was something I was going to check, so thanks for confirming. See, even betfair never bothered to properly support it!
For customers that can't use the betfair API directly (most of them) I assume we'd just tag the rows of the matched bets report that Guardian generates with the reference used when placing that bet.

[megarain]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volume display.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

[AngelsWithDirtyFaces]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volumedisplay.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

I'm seeing the same.

[Bet Angel]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volumedisplay.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

Are you saying that's something new only with this beta build or was the same in the previous version?

[AngelsWithDirtyFaces]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volumedisplay.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

Are you saying that's something new only with this beta build or was the same in the previous version?

For me, it started with this beta build.

[Bet Angel]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volumedisplay.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

I'm seeing the same.

Which markets are you seeing this on? Megarain's video was inplay on a cricket match so had a reasonable in-play delay. Is it also happening on pre-off markets?

Also a question for both of you.... how often is this happening? 1 in 10 bets etc?
Edit having re-watched the video: The video showed a bet being partly filled at the market best price, leaving some of the money unmatched, the net stake continues to update as new matched bet information arrives but the unmatched bet stake doesn't drop.
It would be helpful if you could check if the same unmatched bet is visible in the Unmatched Bets area under the one-click screen when it's stuck on the ladder and if the unmatched stake on both is the same.
Also, when does the bet get cleared correctly: a few seconds later, or only when you place another new bet?

[AngelsWithDirtyFaces]

I think there is a small bug in the ladder: unmatched bet volumedisplay.

An unmatched bet doesn't appear to reduce the volume, until it's fully matched.

Have noticed it a lot of times. Will try video.

I'm seeing the same.

Which markets are you seeing this on? Megarain's video was inplay on a cricket match so had a reasonable in-play delay. Is it also happening on pre-off markets?

Pre off horse racing and, I think, pre off football.

I've definitely seen £1 (the whole pound and not not just pennies) matched of a £2 bet taken but my unmatched amount continued to display £2 until the last £1 was taken a few minutes later. I'll try to replicate this with a large sum in practice mode and report back.

[Bet Angel]

Thanks, but I'm almost positive it won't happen in Practice Mode as it'll need live exchange bets. It sounds like there's a lag in the unmatched bet information coming from betfair (we did see similar syncing issues over a year ago, but they fixed that). We'll investigate further with both new and old builds to try to recreate. The information you've both provided so far has been helpful as we know it isn't an in-play only thing now.
If you do see it again, check your matched bets are correct. In megarain's video it seems the matched bets were still correctly updating when the unmatched bet was stuck.