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Win
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I thought I had finally found a winning strategy for UK horse races. From April to July I was winning every week and only had 19 losing days out of 116. I was only winning on 55% of races, but my wins were always bigger than my losses.
Since 1st August though, I've only had 5 winning days. Losing days are losing more than winning days win. And I'm only winning on 46% of races.
Does that mean that my strategy was just luck?
Or am I just going through a losing period. In 18 days I've lost 12% of what I won in April to July.
Or does UK horse racing change in different months and I should put my strategy aside and try it again next year?
After years of having more downs than ups, I thought I had finally cracked it. But now I'm wondering.
My strategy was 100% automated because I have never been able to trust myself trading manually.
All thoughts welcome please.
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ShaunWhite
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No need to panic, it happens. Its just 2 weeks out of 4 months. But what you need to do now is to reduce your stakes, maybe even to min stakes. Not because you hope to beat any variance by guessing what next week will hold, but to hang onto your profits while you assess the next few months. If your strategy has actually faded then you'll retain most of your previous gains, if it shows an upturn then you can scale up again with some renewed confidence. Making steady money is about not giving it back as much as it's about finding a rich vein.

Reducing your stake will help relieve the mental pressure too, it's mentioned a lot by discretionary traders, but they have the luxury of each day being a fresh start. Often with automation you can take weeks developing a stragegy and then it's weeks until the averages show their true colours, it's psychological pain in bullet time, death by 1000 cuts, and as damaging to your discipline and a manual trader going on tilt.

So, drop stakes, monitor, reassess after a month or so. In the meantime work on something else totally different.... And generally, allow yourself an R&D budget, take 10% or more of the gains you've made so far, and use that as no pressure money you can burn on testing/trialing things or just gaining intel. It's much harder when everything you do matters so allowing yourself an R&D budget eases that.
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matekus
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Here is a very simplistic Beta-Binomial analysis to illustrate the evidence that something may have changed.

Assume each trading day is a winning day with probability (p), and begin with a uniform prior (no preference either way):
p ~ Beta(1,1)

**April-July**

- From April–July:
  • 116 days
  • 97 winning days
  • 19 losing days
So:
  • p(apr-jul | data) ~ Beta(97+1, 19+1)
with:
- Posterior mean: 98/118 ~ 83.1%
- Approximate 95% credible interval: 76%–90%
**August**

- For August:
  • 18 days
  • 5 winning days
  • 13 losing days
So:
  • p(aug | data) ~ Beta(5+1, 13+1)
with:
- Posterior mean: 6/20 = 30%
- Approximate 95% credible interval: 12%–52%

The 95% credible intervals do not overlap which suggests something has changed!
Bottom line
This is not likely to be just a routine fluctuation. The sensible response is to pause or sharply reduce stakes and investigate, rather than assume it will recover (As @ShaunWhite advised).

**Important Caveats**
- Winning days may not be independent; several bets can share the same market conditions.
- Also, profitable/unprofitable days discard information about the number of bets and the sizes of wins and losses.
- This analysis is a useful warning signal, not a complete evaluation of the strategy.
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Euler
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All sports are seasonal to some extent, so you'll find there are patterns within an overall season.

Not just going from flat to jumps, but, for example, at the early part of the season, form isn't very well understood. There's a lot of variability, but as the season trundles on, form becomes much clearer.
Win
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Thanks for your replies. I've done some analysis over the last few days and found that if I had only been backing without greening, in the whole period from April I would have actually won five times as much.
There would have been a lot more volatility and less winning days than losing days, but I've decided to put my original strategy on hold for a while, reduce my stakes and see what happens if I only place back bets for a while. Same strategy for picking what to back. Just no greening.
Two days in, and I'm just above break even
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ShaunWhite
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Win wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2026 11:36 pm
Thanks for your replies. I've done some analysis over the last few days and found that if I had only been backing without greening, in the whole period from April I would have actually won five times as much.
There would have been a lot more volatility and less winning days than losing days, but I've decided to put my original strategy on hold for a while, reduce my stakes and see what happens if I only place back bets for a while. Same strategy for picking what to back. Just no greening.
Two days in, and I'm just above break even
If you green at SP then long term that will cost/earn you nothing, but it smooths your variance. BSP being as close to 0ev as you can reasonably get, a 0ev bet is a wash. If you try and green any other way, especially taking prices, then that'll cost you some of your profit.
tico
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Hi,
No set of rules followed blindly will work .On here people talk of strategies when in reality these are systems.All systems fail,everything must be taken on it's individual merit.It pays to remember that in horse racing each event is unique ,it has to be interpreted .One could argue that a systematic approach highlights the obvious whilst ignoring the unique .Studying form is just part of the game ,interpreting form is quintessential to winning.It's very hard work ,and extremely time consuming but that IMHO is the only way to keep the shirt on your back .If you create a strategy/system then automate it while you go to off to play golf then you might as well purchase a wheel barrow,get all your money out the bank,place money in said wheel barrow ,find a grid and empty said money into grid... :roll:
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Tico
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jamesedwards
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tico wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2026 3:51 pm
Hi,
No set of rules followed blindly will work .On here people talk of strategies when in reality these are systems.All systems fail,everything must be taken on it's individual merit.It pays to remember that in horse racing each event is unique ,it has to be interpreted .One could argue that a systematic approach highlights the obvious whilst ignoring the unique .Studying form is just part of the game ,interpreting form is quintessential to winning.It's very hard work ,and extremely time consuming but that IMHO is the only way to keep the shirt on your back .If you create a strategy/system then automate it while you go to off to play golf then you might as well purchase a wheel barrow,get all your money out the bank,place money in said wheel barrow ,find a grid and empty said money into grid... :roll:
Kind Regards
Tico
You don't need the formbook if you are trading the markets rather than the horses. I've never looked at the form.
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