Football Backing System

[Iron]

Mister Man

With greatest respect, why are you here if we are so unhelpful and unpleasant?

Jeff

the forum is full of self righteous, wan*ers who would rather die than offer genuine help,they might and will pretend to help, with a few exceptions, the help and advice you seek is not here, its elsewhere.
dont waste your time on the many "pros" here,if you want some advice where to go for genuine help PM me..

really you wont find it here with the current crowd

[mister man]

er im being helpful

your not with posts like that.

to be fair sometimes you do embrace the benign and genuine side of the forum.

oh of course i must include the customary (meaning the opposite in most cases) but not this time...with respect

[Iron]

In what way am I being unhelpful?

It's harder to convey one's intentions in words than it is face-to-face, where you have body language, intonation, etc. You might want to consider that maybe you've misinterpreted people's intentions.

The reason I post here a lot is because there's a good general atmosphere, and because, living in Morecambe, my opportunities for intelligent conversation offline are somewhat limited! No-one will reveal their edge (and nor can they be expected to), but people are helpful when it comes to talking things like how to use the software, or talking about strategies without going into specifics.

Jeff

er im being helpful

your not
with respect

[mister man]

jeff

the guys revealing a system (it might work for him it might not)
he will not get any comparisons or reciprocal reveals from most on here.
he wont get the help he is after here,he will get meaningless falsehoods, in some cases designed to get him to reveal more,in some cases just disinterested self righteous and posssibly gratuitous put downs.

i have replies from people on here
1. condoning hoovering
2. boasting about beating the suspend
3. putting down traders/newbies that make mistakes and make them money.
4.glorifying cheating
this forum is not populated by and large by helpful or caring people,or even sharing people...

see my edited reply,tbh i think you do your best in a quirky way... thats a compliment.... really.

ive got lots of help from people on the internet,and none of its been from the people on this forum,hence my reply..

im here because i like the software and somebody has to be...a lot of whats said here and the context its said in genuinely appalls me..

now there you go..... loads of ammo for the guys to do their mocking/ridiculing/belittleing thing on me...

im sure they will have their usual fun.

[Innertube]

The reason you are not getting much out of this excellent forum and the people on it mister man is that you come across as completely disruptive so people are not engaging with you because you don't have much positive to say or contribute. I now know you will say 'look there it goes again' but have a look at yourself mate and your contributions. You don't come across very well, even if you looking at it as an outsider.

It's really a great place here and full of people who do this for real and are interested in decent debate. If you get involved in constructive debate then I am sure you will get something from it but you just keep winding people up with caustic comments.

Your comments on the hoovering debate are just plain weird, nothing like the conversation that took place. The world isn't against you misterman so don't react like it is.

[LeTiss]

I've learnt a great deal about myself, since becoming a trader. I laugh at mister man's posts, because that was my attitude 5 or 6 years back.

The world doesn't owe you a favour, that includes posters on this forum. They choose to help you, but your attitude stinks, so they choose not to.

You need to keep a cool head with trading. A tendency to blow a gasket will ultimately lead to hot headed, rash decisions, and that will lead to disaster. Admittedly, I swear more than ever now, albeit to myself. If I installed a trading swear box into my flat, it would be full very quickly, however I'm still in control of my actions.

MM, I remember you ridiculing pyschology discussions. It's far more relevant to you than you think

[mister man]

ok guys,ill keep myself engaged and liked elsewhere.
i stand by what ive said.
also to le tiss and inner tube why did you think it was you i was talking about (introspective psychology might be as relevant to you guys too as you think it is to me)
also fyi i am succesful at trading thats why im at it 5 yrs on, ive been helped elsewhere greatly.
ive got copies of the hoovering threads etc, and i know whats been said.
so its ok or acceptable to take sum poor saps cash if hes forgotten hes left a keep bet open at say 1.40 when the markets trading at 1.20, it doesnt get taken for 5 mins but then 2 secs before suspend it does, cos cheater knows its a lost bet with a goal going in, thats just opportunist nipping in is it.no its theft in my book
to me thats like someone opening the window on a hot day, forgets hes left it open as the day cools,nips out to the shop for 5 mins for some
thing and comes back and finds an opportunist thief has nipped in and nicked his dvd player and anything left lying around.
its a police matter, its a betfair matter, ok but both wouldnt be needed at all if their werent these scum about..
get some moral fibre.....

[Iron]

Mister Man

Isn't profitable trading all about exploiting other people's errors?

However you slice it and dice it, trading is a sum zero game. Long term, you'll only make money because other people's mistakes...

Jeff

so its ok or acceptable to take sum poor saps cash if hes forgotten hes left a keep bet open at say 1.40 when the markets trading at 1.20

[Innertube]

mm, if you have a lot of experience why not share it with other members then peoples estimation of you will skyrocket. Your posts are very antagonistic which is why others are responding in kind. Just saying.

I've looked through your posts but don't seem to be able to find much on them TBH. Forums are like life, you get what you give.

[mister man]

this forums like being in a pub, where everyones hiding their drink, and whispering their orders to the barman, then slinking off into a corner without talking to anyone, whilst shielding their drink from prying eyes,lest anyone else wants the same theyd be less left for them.
occasionally throwing a sly grin to the others in their, whilst tapping their nose, and being very superior..

they would hate to be confronted with the weeping 5 year old, and distraught single mum whos broken down in tears at the theft of their possesions,that 5 mins for some milk means a week or two with nothing for the child or themselves now, no way do they want to see the consequences of their actions on others. Best just pretend its all ok, it was their stupid fault for leaving that window open.
now thinking, how can i get another one of my special drinks with nobody else seeing what it is...

dont talk to me about get what you give...

[Iron]

this forums like being in a pub, where everyones hiding their drink, and whispering their orders to the barman, then slinking off into a corner without talking to anyone, whilst shielding their drink from prying eyes,lest anyone else wants the same theyd be less left for them.

When you play poker, do you let other people see your hand?

And whilst you've accused others of not revealing their edge, all I know of what you do is that you trade football matches when particular events happen. That's fine - I don't expect you to reveal your methods - but why criticise others for taking the same stance?

they would hate to be confronted with the weeping 5 year old, and distraught single mum whos broken down in tears at the theft of their possesions,that 5 mins for some milk means a week or two with nothing for the child or themselves now, no way do they want to see the consequences of their actions on others.

If someone gambles recklessly and loses big time, I feel compassion for them (I've been there myself), but I don't think people who do well from trading should feel guilty.

The aim of the game is to make money by exploiting other people's errors. The people who you're up against are consenting adults who entered the arena of their own free will. It's not like anyone is stealing anyone else's money. It's like a game of poker - you can either put your money on the table or simply watch. The choice is yours, and you and you alone are responsible for the outcome...

You're a pro trader. Does it bother you that you take money from the market (ie other people)? If not, why should it bother other traders?

Jeff

[Euler]

It's unfortunate that you feel that way MM as we have a great bunch of people on this forum who are social and knowledgeable and who have been around for years. I'm been lucky enough to meet many of them and can vouch for them.

I don't understand why you would think what you do to be honest, or know why you feel excluded; but some of your posts are a bit on the colourful side which is probably why people are not engaging with you. This forum is far more popular now than it was a year ago so it seems lots of people don't agree with your interpretation.

Sometimes posts on forums just don't come across in the manner in which they were intended, so don't take it personally. If you have some of value to contribute I am sure everybody on the forum would be happy to give you ample credit for your contribution.

[enzabella2009]

Mister Man, I can not judge you if you are a skilled trader or not because of missing evidence, but surely you are skilled in telling stories, filled with salt, pepper, thieves who steal from the window and alcoholics who hide their drinks at the pub. You should be writing stories,it would sell very well. I am not being sarcastic. However, if these cold Bristish do not understand your firing mood , come to live in Italy you would be accepted at 100%. I'll teach you all the gestures to improve your communication in Italy and here I added a bit of sarcasm, if you let me.

[mister man]

I take as I find the personna ive had to adopt on here is different from that elsewhere due to the initial and ongoing posts, much of what ive said has been in reply or a counter position to some frankly diabolical attitudes ive been dismayed to see here.
My analogy of the theft and the hoover/suspend beaters is sound, both do great damage to others and are dispicable acts imho. There is no analysis, study, knowledge of the sport deployed or more importantly any honour in stealing money like that.
and they call themselves pro traders !!! ha what a disgrace!!!
on edges ive offered for people to PM me, so im not being a hypocrite, elsewhere id respond freely but here nobody else does, so i do the next best thing.
I notice nobodys offered any "real" help to Mrmachado now have they I at least have offered...
my friend from Italy , i love visiting your wonderful country and its expressive people. and yes i do write as a sideline still now and have done so for years. To the dismay of many on here no doubt and without giving to much away i did write for a while for, wait for it,..... wait for it......."Betfair"
I still write within the betting/sports community by and large.
I'll keep checking in here but for me its a pub i dont want to frequent too often, unless it gets a big turn around of clientelle.
cheers,salou and prost...
oh and by the way, im drinking birra moretti, and not hiding it.

[Innertube]

If you wouldn't have hijacked the thread and then the original poster may have actually got some answers. Can't see why you don't post up some really useful information for people to judge against the 'real' misterman.