BUMP
i would recommend reading the previous posts before this bump.
What is the cause of UK's unemployment benefits to be so low?
Why are the payments to the unemployed the most ungenerous out of all advanced economies in Europe? Is it because British people are selfish or is it because we allow our government to treat them badly?
In the following table you can see the amount of unemployment benefit a single person gets for a fortnight in that country.
Country Amount
Denmark £644.48
Belgium £644.42
Finland £464.50
Luxembourg £450.11
Sweden £392.45
France £390.31
Germany £363.56
Spain £340.32
Ireland £319.11
Netherlands £309.97
Austria £307.93
Switzerland £307.87
Norway £211.96
Greece £138.54
UK £130.73
Cyprus £122.22
Portugal £115.20
Iceland £112.73
Italy £80.66
In the second table you can see how much percentage of the GDP that country spends in looking after the unemployed:
as % of GDP
Belgium 3.4
Spain 2.6
Finland 2.2
Denmark 2
France 2
Germany 1.7
Sweden 1.6
Austria 1.6
Netherlands 1.4
Ireland 1.3
Portugal 1.2
Greece 1.1
Cyprus 1.1
Luxembourg 1
Switzerland 1
UK 0.6
Italy 0.5
Norway 0.4
Iceland 0.3
Why is Britain's share so tiny and why does the Uk's jobcentres engage in practices that humiliate and degrade the job-seeker?
are we still a fair country
'Last year in Great Britain alone we spent £147 billion on benefit payments.
To put this into context, this is more than is spent on the NHS and schools combined.
Given that overall spending on benefits was £15 billion higher in 2009/10 than in 2008/9, this highlights how unsustainable the current position has become.'
From http://www.jamesmorrismp.com/article/br ... orting-out
Jeff
To put this into context, this is more than is spent on the NHS and schools combined.
Given that overall spending on benefits was £15 billion higher in 2009/10 than in 2008/9, this highlights how unsustainable the current position has become.'
From http://www.jamesmorrismp.com/article/br ... orting-out
Jeff
mister man wrote: In the second table you can see how much percentage of the GDP that country spends in looking after the unemployed:
as % of GDP
UK 0.6
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mister man
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18% of UK GDP on public service pensions
0.6% on helping people find work.
a retired teacher/council worker has 30 times plus the help from the state that an unemployed person gets.
says it all.
benefits at 40% below the governments own definition of poverty for Job seekers says even more.
2.7m unemployed 0.5m jobs, dothe maths 2.2M shortfall.
thats a lot of non scroungers struggling, through no fault of their own.
whos money is it anyway,ive paid into the system for 30 years, its my own money they would be giving me a pittance of back.
deary me, tory la la land, they wouldnt last a month on benefits. out of touch and out of eton they dont know anything about the reality of life in many parts of Britain, even worse they dont want to. Disgrace
0.6% on helping people find work.
a retired teacher/council worker has 30 times plus the help from the state that an unemployed person gets.
says it all.
benefits at 40% below the governments own definition of poverty for Job seekers says even more.
2.7m unemployed 0.5m jobs, dothe maths 2.2M shortfall.
thats a lot of non scroungers struggling, through no fault of their own.
whos money is it anyway,ive paid into the system for 30 years, its my own money they would be giving me a pittance of back.
deary me, tory la la land, they wouldnt last a month on benefits. out of touch and out of eton they dont know anything about the reality of life in many parts of Britain, even worse they dont want to. Disgrace
At the risk of repeating myself:
'Last year in Great Britain alone we spent £147 billion on benefit payments.
To put this into context, this is more than is spent on the NHS and schools combined'.
No-one can say we don't spent a massive amount on benefits, and the 0.8% figure is misleading...
0.6% on helping people find work? How much help do people need? Advice is available FOC if you need help with stuff like writing CVs and application letters, using the internet to search for vacancies, or putting in a good interview performance. Isn't that enough?
Jeff
'Last year in Great Britain alone we spent £147 billion on benefit payments.
To put this into context, this is more than is spent on the NHS and schools combined'.
No-one can say we don't spent a massive amount on benefits, and the 0.8% figure is misleading...
0.6% on helping people find work? How much help do people need? Advice is available FOC if you need help with stuff like writing CVs and application letters, using the internet to search for vacancies, or putting in a good interview performance. Isn't that enough?
Jeff
Mister Man,
Can you tell us how much they get in:
Russia
Afganistan
Iran
Any African country
Any South American country
Iraq
North Korea
The fact the you think the Uk is an unfair place to live, when it is the model that most of the western world is based leads me to believe that you are clueless. The welfare state could afford to be more generous if it hadn't been mismanaged for 30 odd years.
Where have you been for the last 3 years?
Hello! There is a serious problem with Government debt. Why do you think that is? Should the British "demand" more benefit? Who the f*** is going to pay for it? Do you have any idea how much it costs to service the debt the country is in? Do you think it is ok for the Government to just dish out money they haven't got ?
Get a grip man.
Can you tell us how much they get in:
Russia
Afganistan
Iran
Any African country
Any South American country
Iraq
North Korea
The fact the you think the Uk is an unfair place to live, when it is the model that most of the western world is based leads me to believe that you are clueless. The welfare state could afford to be more generous if it hadn't been mismanaged for 30 odd years.
Where have you been for the last 3 years?
Hello! There is a serious problem with Government debt. Why do you think that is? Should the British "demand" more benefit? Who the f*** is going to pay for it? Do you have any idea how much it costs to service the debt the country is in? Do you think it is ok for the Government to just dish out money they haven't got ?
Get a grip man.
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mister man
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no i dont think its ok to dish out money they havent got,but i do think they should dish out money to those unemployed who've dished in a lot a very lot for 10 20 or 30 years,rather than to those off the boats whove paid nothing to support this country.
with regard to your analogies of other states if you think any1 of them is in any way comparable to the uk, its u who needs top get a grip man.
its all relative...
"Can you tell us how much they get in:
Russia
Afganistan
Iran
Any African country
Any South American country
Iraq
North Korea"
im glad youve not lost your sense or reality comparing the uk to some of the most, corrupt and lawless nations of the world...
omg what shock we treat our unemployed better than the afghanies ..LOL. are you on drugs tonight !!!LOOL,
but not better than the belgians,the dutch,the french,the swedes the norwegians the danes,the germans or virtually anybody a thinking person would view as a realistic comparison, etc.etc.etc,etc...LOL
id love to know why retired teachers/council workers etc get 18 times the investment the unemployed do in the uk, nobodies answered that yet.
absolute scandal how these etonian millionaires are still hoodwinking some of our more ignorant populace.
(posters excluded of course)
with regard to your analogies of other states if you think any1 of them is in any way comparable to the uk, its u who needs top get a grip man.
its all relative...
"Can you tell us how much they get in:
Russia
Afganistan
Iran
Any African country
Any South American country
Iraq
North Korea"
im glad youve not lost your sense or reality comparing the uk to some of the most, corrupt and lawless nations of the world...
omg what shock we treat our unemployed better than the afghanies ..LOL. are you on drugs tonight !!!LOOL,
but not better than the belgians,the dutch,the french,the swedes the norwegians the danes,the germans or virtually anybody a thinking person would view as a realistic comparison, etc.etc.etc,etc...LOL
id love to know why retired teachers/council workers etc get 18 times the investment the unemployed do in the uk, nobodies answered that yet.
absolute scandal how these etonian millionaires are still hoodwinking some of our more ignorant populace.
(posters excluded of course)
What about people who haven't ever worked much, and have cost the state a small fortune over the years in terms of police and prison resources?
Should they get the same level of benefits as someone who's played by the rules and stuck at a job for 30 years, before being made redundant for no fault of his own?
Jeff
Should they get the same level of benefits as someone who's played by the rules and stuck at a job for 30 years, before being made redundant for no fault of his own?
Jeff
mister man wrote:no i dont think its ok to dish out money they havent got,but i do think they should dish out money to those unemployed who've dished in a lot a very lot for 10 20 or 30 years,rather than to those off the boats whove paid nothing to support this country.
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onemichael
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We have a different system in this country. Yes JSA is low however, this is there for every one dispite there position. When Fred the shred lost his job at RBS he would have been entitled to JSA. However, if a married man with 2/3 kids lost his low paid job he would get JSA plus income support to bring him up to a level nearer the figures mentioned from the other European countries. He could also get rent paid or mortgage interest paid. So our figure is not that low when looking at all the benefits that can be claimed.
I am not saying this is right or wrong just stating the position.
I am not saying this is right or wrong just stating the position.
On a pedantic note, he wouldn't have been, given that his savings are almost certainly higher than 16 K.onemichael wrote:We have a different system in this country. Yes JSA is low however, this is there for every one dispite there position. When Fred the shred lost his job at RBS he would have been entitled to JSA.
Jeff
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onemichael
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No he would have still been entitled to JSA, it is not means tested. If a couple have over £16000 they would not be entitled to a rate rebate. If he had over £3000 he would not be entitled to income support. He would still have got JSA for 6 months. I wonder if the money grabing git claimed.
Maybe things have changed then, as I signed on for a short while a couple of years ago, but had to sign off when my savings reached 16K (I was gambling in my spare time - with the DSS's knowledge and consent - and hit a very good run that took me over the limit).
However, it's possible I misunderstood the rules, and signed off needlessly. If so, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it - dole is there for people who need it, not for single people with 16K in savings.
Jeff
However, it's possible I misunderstood the rules, and signed off needlessly. If so, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it - dole is there for people who need it, not for single people with 16K in savings.
Jeff
onemichael wrote:No he would have still been entitled to JSA, it is not means tested. If a couple have over £16000 they would not be entitled to a rate rebate.
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You may well have misunderstood, they don't explain things very well. I used to give debt advice at the C.A.B. Most people that came in were not long term unemployed most people were forced to claim for the 1st time ever having always been employed. Or have all of a sudden fallen sick and not able to work. Most were never told what they could or could not claim for.
I did get a ruling of sorts on gambling and was told after some time that winnings could not be counted as it is not an income. I only asked out of interest. However, if there was more than a certain level it would stop them from claiming income support and housing benefit.
Never rely on the job centre to give any kind of advice. Most don't know or care about what they do as they are so snowed under with work.
I did get a ruling of sorts on gambling and was told after some time that winnings could not be counted as it is not an income. I only asked out of interest. However, if there was more than a certain level it would stop them from claiming income support and housing benefit.
Never rely on the job centre to give any kind of advice. Most don't know or care about what they do as they are so snowed under with work.
The loony Left, out to destroy youngsters' hopes of a job - by Boris Johnson
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... a-job.html
'The man who transformed modern Tesco didn’t arrive as an Oxbridge graduate trainee. Sir Terry Leahy began by sweeping floors.' Hear hear!
Jeff
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... a-job.html
'The man who transformed modern Tesco didn’t arrive as an Oxbridge graduate trainee. Sir Terry Leahy began by sweeping floors.' Hear hear!
Jeff
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The problem is that most people believe what the media tells them and they go on gut instinct that everyone and their mate is scrounging benefits like you wouldn't believe. The governments own figures DO NOT SUPPORT THIS and here is a link to their official figures if you don't believe me.
http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd...
Out of every £10 spent on benefit, offical figures show that 8p is overpaid due to fraud.
Fraudulent tax evasion however costs everybody in this country 15 times as much as benefit fraud! Makes you wonder why the press aren't shouting about that quite so loudly and why we're having this debate and not a debate about tax scroungers.
http://research.dwp.gov.uk/asd...
Out of every £10 spent on benefit, offical figures show that 8p is overpaid due to fraud.
Fraudulent tax evasion however costs everybody in this country 15 times as much as benefit fraud! Makes you wonder why the press aren't shouting about that quite so loudly and why we're having this debate and not a debate about tax scroungers.
The link doesn't work - it says 'Page not found'.
BTW, I'm surprised you're so trusting of official stats. I mean, who knows how much tax evasion or benefit fraud is actually out there? It's a bit like trying to guess how many horse trainers are on the fiddle. Where do you begin?
Jeff
BTW, I'm surprised you're so trusting of official stats. I mean, who knows how much tax evasion or benefit fraud is actually out there? It's a bit like trying to guess how many horse trainers are on the fiddle. Where do you begin?
Jeff