Celta Vigo vs Cordoba

[CaerMyrddin]

I wouldn't go so far guys. Simply there was no incentive to score in this match, it's probably not a matter of corruption. The difference can be thin, but there is one!

[LeTiss]

I wouldn't go so far guys. Simply there was no incentive to score in this match, it's probably not a matter of corruption. The difference can be thin, but there is one!

I disagree

The fact that the bookies stopped taking bets due to the avalanche of bets on the draw, suggests something dodgy

[enzabella2009]

There are times when is not matter of corruption but the odds stay above 2,5 and rarest cases just below 2,0.This match has presented all the same anomalies that are now investigated in Italy. I have the feeling that, it will be swept under the carpet. The graph tells everything...

I wouldn't go so far guys. Simply there was no incentive to score in this match, it's probably not a matter of corruption. The difference can be thin, but there is one!

[CaerMyrddin]

Maybe I didn't explain myself right.

As far as we know, games in Italy were being bought to by mafia related agents, and the players, coachs, etc were being paied to do as instructed.

In this match, it looks like there was an agreement to set a result that was in both team's best interest.

Of course the graph will look the same, and of course that in both situations the matches were fixed, what is surely bad.

But there is a difference in the way they were fixed, isn't there?

[Iron]

Antonio

If both managers decided independently that their teams would play for the draw, that's one thing. But if, for argument's sake, the clubs got together and agreed not to even try to score against each other, than you could argue that that's a form of match fixing, and therefore corrupt.

Jeff

[enzabella2009]

In Italy the players, coaches, owners and agents did not place a penny on the fixed matches. There was an agreement with the hungarian, romanian, bulgurian, italian and singapore mafia and according to this agreement the players, coaches, owners and agents only get paid for their dirty job. If the players failed they had in some cases refund 50% of the loss to the apparent organisation. Now the question is, if Celta Vigo and Cordoba players could not bet a single penny on the above game who do you think placed millions on the draw? The supporters? The club? or the same mafia which has available and unlimited funds..

Maybe I didn't explain myself right.

As far as we know, games in Italy were being bought to by mafia related agents, and the players, coachs, etc were being paied to do as instructed.

In this match, it looks like there was an agreement to set a result that was in both team's best interest.

Of course the graph will look the same, and of course that in both situations the matches were fixed, what is surely bad.

But there is a difference in the way they were fixed, isn't there?

[CaerMyrddin]

players, coaches, owners and agents only get paid for their dirty job. If the players failed they had in some cases refund 50% of the loss to the apparent organisation. Now the question is, if Celta Vigo and Cordoba players could not bet a single penny on the above game who do you think placed millions on the draw? The supporters? The club? or the same mafia which has available and unlimited funds..

So, if the players didn't get paid in Spain surely there is a difference?

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need the mobsters to get involved, as the info about this game was spreading the price would drop, you might remember a Leiria game this season with an amazing move, just like this one, and there was no mafia involved.

Those who knew the news first started opening positions, some bookies started slashing as the liabilities were getting bigger and bigger and the rest is history. You don't need the mafia to do this...

Please be assured I don't think that what happened now is by any means right, it surely isn't. It's bad for any sport and it was one of the dullest games I've seen.

But it has nothing to do with corrupted sports. Unethical yes, but not corrupted.

[CaerMyrddin]

@Jeff,

that that's a form of match fixing, and therefore corrupt.

From wikipedia:

In economy, corruption is payment for services or material which the recipient is not due, under law

So the players weren't paied and therefore there was no corruption, Q.E.D.

[Iron]

Antonio - There is such a thing as payment in kind though, ie 'if you don't score against my team, then I won't score against your team, meaning we will both benefit financially at the expense of other teams by qualifying'.

Jeff

So the players weren't paied and therefore there was no corruption, Q.E.D.

[enzabella2009]

If both teams will never being investigated how do we know they never get paid for the dirty job? How do we know that the same organisation did not contact both teams and proposed a dirty business because it was favorable to both teams and players involved. Denmark vs Sweden could both qualify in 2004 european quarter final if they drew 2-2 and that 2-2 result came out but the odds did not go crazy pre-off. I remember as it was yesterday because Italy paid the price for that 2-2 draw. However there is corruption in football all over the place but we justify it if it's Portugal, Spain, Germany, Turkey, Hungary, champions league ( see Zagreb vs Lyon 1-7) but we open several topics if Italian football is involved?
Quite unfair isnt it?

[Iron]

However there is corruption in football all over the place but we justify it if it's Portugal, Spain, Germany, Turkey, Hungary, champions league ( see Zagreb vs Lyon 1-7) but we open several topics if Italian football is involved?
Quite unfair isnt it?

Fairly or unfairly, Italy has a reputation where corruption is concerned. download/file.php?id=1383&mode=view

I'm sure there is corruption everywhere in the world, but here in England you don't often hear about a council's bin collecting contract being awarded to an organised crime syndicate, whereas I understand that is known to happen in Italy...

Jeff

[enzabella2009]

However there is corruption in football all over the place but we justify it if it's Portugal, Spain, Germany, Turkey, Hungary, champions league ( see Zagreb vs Lyon 1-7) but we open several topics if Italian football is involved?
Quite unfair isnt it?

Fairly or unfairly, Italy has a reputation where corruption is concerned. download/file.php?id=1383&mode=view

I'm sure there is corruption everywhere in the world, but here in England you don't often hear about a council's bin collecting contract being awarded to an organised crime syndicate, whereas I understand that is known to happen in Italy...

Jeff

1st of all I did not mention England. Well I am fed or arguing about bad or worse. I am Italian and admit all what you guys talk about but if I say the queen killed Diana or Murdoch, Camerom and Blair are the equivalent of mafia you guys try always to justify it by throwing more sht at us. It is obviuos there is a spread of anti italian sentiment expressed by using stereotypes, made up news and real news so why am I wasting my time here if the answears will be always the same....If I knew there was a major earthquake in portugal, spain or england I would have spend hours to write each one member of this forum to assure if there were ok. I was personally a bit dissapointed to recieve nothing but I understand not everyone are the same and perhaps I did not deserve a single thought because my country is corrupted? Stupid thinking isnt it but possible when you feel the pressure under your seat. This is nothing to do with this post but made me realize once and for all that my place is not here...Good luck all and goodbye Enzabella

[CaerMyrddin]

Personally I knew you weren't in an affected area

Please don't take things personally, Enzabella, I'm sure nothing was meant to be personal.

[Iron]

Absolutely.

My comments about corruption in Italy were meant tongue in cheek - no offence was intended.

As for the earthquake, Italy has a population of 60,000,000 people, so when an earthquake happens over there that doesn't even make the major news headlines in the UK, I don't immediately worry that someone I know who lives in Italy might be affected, as the odds are pretty small.

Jeff

Personally I knew you weren't in an affected area

Please don't take things personally, Enzabella, I'm sure nothing was meant to be personal.

[legendz]

Wasn't there an Arsenal champions league match about 4yrs ago where they both needed a point to qualify from the group stages and the bookies had the draw at 4/5 sure enough it ended 0-0 , cant remember who they were playing though.