Hi Megarain,
Its interesting to hear from someone who I've probably competed with over the years. From the records I kept I quickly dropped Wolverhampton as it became a net negative course for me , ie i lost more than I won (there are still many courses doing the same I feel)
I was interested in your comments about the hotel closing.Is the course still traded from the stands to the same extent? The reason I ask is because the characteristics seems to to suggest it is still being traded in the same way as always?
Regards
Peter
BY the way; A lot of people consider court siding cheating, my take on it is that all is fair in love and war and good luck to the people who go the extra distance to be successful.
I attended A Betting Exchange Shop Last Week
There is a communal box at Wolvo.
You pay £150 or so, plug in your TV/Laptop, and take your chance.
Security lob off most cell-callers/white vans/laptops in the stands, but, liquidity has severly dried up .. and the racing can be v mundane.
It might be a wage for some .. not for me.
I think .. +/- 7-10 prob attend per meeting, in summer .. in winter, u may get more despos.
You pay £150 or so, plug in your TV/Laptop, and take your chance.
Security lob off most cell-callers/white vans/laptops in the stands, but, liquidity has severly dried up .. and the racing can be v mundane.
It might be a wage for some .. not for me.
I think .. +/- 7-10 prob attend per meeting, in summer .. in winter, u may get more despos.
Maybe I should explain more .. unless u have been there, u wudnt know.
Racetech = Live pics, were on a TV channel in the hotel, and in each room.
By taking a room, u could get a mobile data dongle, have internet, and trade .. = licence to print.
For months, I locked door, expecting the police to come in.
u wud not be allowed to use a laptop in the restaurant,
and with so few people there, security were v strict.
So, the traders moved to the hotel, and every room was taken by them.
No normal hotel user could get a room, unless a trader booked out .. which we often did, an hr after racing, with an excuse .. and a bung to the desk staff.
they naturally thght we were mental ....
Racetech = Live pics, were on a TV channel in the hotel, and in each room.
By taking a room, u could get a mobile data dongle, have internet, and trade .. = licence to print.
For months, I locked door, expecting the police to come in.
u wud not be allowed to use a laptop in the restaurant,
and with so few people there, security were v strict.
So, the traders moved to the hotel, and every room was taken by them.
No normal hotel user could get a room, unless a trader booked out .. which we often did, an hr after racing, with an excuse .. and a bung to the desk staff.
they naturally thght we were mental ....
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andyfuller
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When you say Facetimers what are you meaning? TIA.
Apple have a function, as part of IOS, which allows video calls, at almost real time.
Stick a guy, with a factime iphone, infrmt of a TV screen, and broadcast it .. = theft of pics, but, u have a distributable 'live' pic stream.
Thats prob worth something ..
Stick a guy, with a factime iphone, infrmt of a TV screen, and broadcast it .. = theft of pics, but, u have a distributable 'live' pic stream.
Thats prob worth something ..
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Cheers. Thought you meant the app but wasn't 100% sure, suppose it would be a lot easier to steal the pictures from a hotel room than from say doing it in a bookies.megarain wrote:Apple have a function, as part of IOS, which allows video calls, at almost real time.
I would suspect that this method is what I was offered by someone a while back.
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Face time is a app for Apple ipad/phone, that allows you to talk face to face. I believe some trading gangs are using them to broadcast pictures live from events. Football, Racing ect.
I was speaking to a Q.P.R. fan who was stuck behind a guy filming the whole game on his ipad.
Never used it my self , what sort of video quality do you get from face time?
I was speaking to a Q.P.R. fan who was stuck behind a guy filming the whole game on his ipad.
Never used it my self , what sort of video quality do you get from face time?
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I've come in on the end of this thread because of illness. There is nothing new here and megarain has covered the salient points.
A couple of things I wish to add. First, I am not having a pop at Megarain, Dawlish (who I know well and I hope he is well in his new home?) or the more experienced on-course punters. At the moment there are plenty of new players trying to beat the delay both via the rooms and the course. I have been to a few gatherings and I came away shaking my head. Some of these new guys wouldn't know how to read a horse if it ran over them. As soon as a horse came under pressure they would be laying it. If one was leading 3 fences from home they were backing it. Now I reiterate these were "new experts" and what they knew about race reading could be written on the back of stamp and you would still have room for a short letter and your name and address. This did explain why some prices were being hammered into ridiculously low numbers and large prices were offered for horses still in with a shout!! They don't last long and soon realise the streets are not paved with gold.
If you search the forum you will see a post where I listed the various delays between ATR SiS etc. I think there may be some slight changes since then but more importantly I hear RUK and TurfTV pictures now arrive at the same time? I have not had that confirmed so if anyone has tried it lately I would be grateful to learn more.
A couple of things I wish to add. First, I am not having a pop at Megarain, Dawlish (who I know well and I hope he is well in his new home?) or the more experienced on-course punters. At the moment there are plenty of new players trying to beat the delay both via the rooms and the course. I have been to a few gatherings and I came away shaking my head. Some of these new guys wouldn't know how to read a horse if it ran over them. As soon as a horse came under pressure they would be laying it. If one was leading 3 fences from home they were backing it. Now I reiterate these were "new experts" and what they knew about race reading could be written on the back of stamp and you would still have room for a short letter and your name and address. This did explain why some prices were being hammered into ridiculously low numbers and large prices were offered for horses still in with a shout!! They don't last long and soon realise the streets are not paved with gold.
If you search the forum you will see a post where I listed the various delays between ATR SiS etc. I think there may be some slight changes since then but more importantly I hear RUK and TurfTV pictures now arrive at the same time? I have not had that confirmed so if anyone has tried it lately I would be grateful to learn more.
Thanks JG
I was looking at one of Peter's latest videos the other night whereby he was comparing Betfair/Betdaq pictures with ATR in terms of latency..
have you (or Peter) any idea how this compares directly with SIS, I would have thought that that would be marginal too?
I was looking at one of Peter's latest videos the other night whereby he was comparing Betfair/Betdaq pictures with ATR in terms of latency..
have you (or Peter) any idea how this compares directly with SIS, I would have thought that that would be marginal too?
JG has called it 100% as usual. Like I said on page 1 of this thread, fast pics are no substitute for race reading.
I filled my boots yesterday in the 2:40 Newton Abbot laying Mcllhatton down to 1.15. I couldn't believe my luck, he clouted the first hurdle which was a big clue. If you watch the race back on ATR without sound you should be able to spot a horse trading at 1.2 and less. I guarantee if you know anything about racing you wouldn't have picked this fellow out.
My (longwinded) point is, if you don't know what you are doing, it makes no difference how big your edge is. You are betting against people who DO know what they are doing AND can see the same pictures as you. The fast pictures debate is perceived as easy money. At one time it was for sure, I am not sure it's the case anymore. However clever you think you are, there is always someone much cleverer.
I also thing the delivery of sky/virgin pictures have a hugh difference. For example there is 6 seconds between my sky and my brother in laws virgin tv. The best way to gauge it is see how long it takes for the race to start on your pictures after the market goes in play.
I filled my boots yesterday in the 2:40 Newton Abbot laying Mcllhatton down to 1.15. I couldn't believe my luck, he clouted the first hurdle which was a big clue. If you watch the race back on ATR without sound you should be able to spot a horse trading at 1.2 and less. I guarantee if you know anything about racing you wouldn't have picked this fellow out.
My (longwinded) point is, if you don't know what you are doing, it makes no difference how big your edge is. You are betting against people who DO know what they are doing AND can see the same pictures as you. The fast pictures debate is perceived as easy money. At one time it was for sure, I am not sure it's the case anymore. However clever you think you are, there is always someone much cleverer.
I also thing the delivery of sky/virgin pictures have a hugh difference. For example there is 6 seconds between my sky and my brother in laws virgin tv. The best way to gauge it is see how long it takes for the race to start on your pictures after the market goes in play.
As for the comparison of ATR(SKY UK on 28.2)/SIS(4.8E)/BFVideo ( on 30mbit fiber internet) , I had a chance couple of months ago to test all of them and did a benchmark.
Surprisingly, BF Video was ahead of the SIS at least %90 of the races, maybe a frame or two, but it was ahead. The other %10 was synchronous and havent seen a case SIS was ahead. And my tech guy, whom asked 500 quids per month to let me watch SIS, couldnt believe how BF did the trick, which was simply lowering the resolution of the pics..
ATR on SKY is behind of SIS at least 4-5 seconds. And its no use at all for I/R trading..
One interesting thing tough, Racing UK was ahead of SIS. I had never a chance to compare with TURF TV though, still curious about that..
Being said all, there is a dark matter still, which are the track feeds on satellites coming with no commentary and stamps. way quicker than anything you can buy for money!
Surprisingly, BF Video was ahead of the SIS at least %90 of the races, maybe a frame or two, but it was ahead. The other %10 was synchronous and havent seen a case SIS was ahead. And my tech guy, whom asked 500 quids per month to let me watch SIS, couldnt believe how BF did the trick, which was simply lowering the resolution of the pics..
ATR on SKY is behind of SIS at least 4-5 seconds. And its no use at all for I/R trading..
One interesting thing tough, Racing UK was ahead of SIS. I had never a chance to compare with TURF TV though, still curious about that..
Being said all, there is a dark matter still, which are the track feeds on satellites coming with no commentary and stamps. way quicker than anything you can buy for money!
The day before, Hallelujah was running in a competitive race and the BSP was @30 if I remember well.
As I watched him flying home couple of times, I just wanted to back him as much as I can after it started to sprint, was too late and it won smoothly.
It was a pity that I couldnt spot him before the race but once you got the knowledge base, shouldnt be hard to find overrated or underrated horses which represent great values in running..
As I watched him flying home couple of times, I just wanted to back him as much as I can after it started to sprint, was too late and it won smoothly.
It was a pity that I couldnt spot him before the race but once you got the knowledge base, shouldnt be hard to find overrated or underrated horses which represent great values in running..
mugsgame wrote:JG has called it 100% as usual. Like I said on page 1 of this thread, fast pics are no substitute for race reading.
I filled my boots yesterday in the 2:40 Newton Abbot laying Mcllhatton down to 1.15. I couldn't believe my luck, he clouted the first hurdle which was a big clue. If you watch the race back on ATR without sound you should be able to spot a horse trading at 1.2 and less. I guarantee if you know anything about racing you wouldn't have picked this fellow out.
My (longwinded) point is, if you don't know what you are doing, it makes no difference how big your edge is. You are betting against people who DO know what they are doing AND can see the same pictures as you. The fast pictures debate is perceived as easy money. At one time it was for sure, I am not sure it's the case anymore. However clever you think you are, there is always someone much cleverer.
I also thing the delivery of sky/virgin pictures have a hugh difference. For example there is 6 seconds between my sky and my brother in laws virgin tv. The best way to gauge it is see how long it takes for the race to start on your pictures after the market goes in play.
A lot of in-runners, are finding it tuff.
Not least becos, the easy money has gone, and offset bets, getting fired into wide open spaces, can lead to bad value.
Bet fairs PC , marketing strategy, has led to a decline in in-running liquidity, and, with expenses, tilt, time it's a game, fewer and fewer can really master.
Racecourses still charge too much .. And prices will come down, for those that really want to try.
One day, a new boom will begin .. But, am not sure, when that will be, for horse-racing.
One thing that I can't let go of, is the number of people using software, who wouldn't have the faintest clue, about fill/kill, offsets, stacks etc, if it wasn't for the pioneers.
One day, they deserve to be recognised.
Not least becos, the easy money has gone, and offset bets, getting fired into wide open spaces, can lead to bad value.
Bet fairs PC , marketing strategy, has led to a decline in in-running liquidity, and, with expenses, tilt, time it's a game, fewer and fewer can really master.
Racecourses still charge too much .. And prices will come down, for those that really want to try.
One day, a new boom will begin .. But, am not sure, when that will be, for horse-racing.
One thing that I can't let go of, is the number of people using software, who wouldn't have the faintest clue, about fill/kill, offsets, stacks etc, if it wasn't for the pioneers.
One day, they deserve to be recognised.