I'd blame the schedulers for most of the trouble today personally.
Tbh I think volumes have been pretty flat the last few years, neither seriously growing or declining much overall
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I know what you mean, for sure.
One thing I do feel has subjectively changed is that it feels like there are less newbie traders trading with small amounts than there used to be. Markets used to feel more 'active' for longer to me, though I'm just basing that on gut feeling rather than stats etc
One thing I do feel has subjectively changed is that it feels like there are less newbie traders trading with small amounts than there used to be. Markets used to feel more 'active' for longer to me, though I'm just basing that on gut feeling rather than stats etc
the thing is if 90% (obviously I've just plucked that out of the air but it wouldn't surprise me if it was realistic!) of it is traders money then it doesn't matter what the turnover is betfairs profit per market will be going through the floor.
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steven1976
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I had about 500 entry points on that one! Felt like it was just me and the market chucking it backwards and forwards to get the better side of each other. I come out of it pretty well but it was jumping all over the show.
You may want to give this a try this Switesh. Obviously this is a very basic advice and rest assured the market will be reading it as well! If you want to enter with 20, then put 10 in and put 10 in the position behind or maybe 10 at the position you want to enter and 20, 2 ticks behind. If you feel it has gone against you, immediately try and scratch and enter in the opposite direction as you already have the next position in place if turned against you. (Where you put the next position could depend on stake) if you enter to much (but not enough to scare away the market), it will likely go straight through you. If you feel any genuine support behind you when you enter your position, then you may want to try and let it run a little longer that a simple tick. In my opinion only use the charts to know if you get a feel of any real money coming behind your orders if you enter at cross over points or at a point where money has not yet been. If you sit there thinking the market will come back and help you because it has already moved from 4s to 13s, forget it. Unless you are confident that is now a good back bet then dont rely on others in the market unless you see or feel genuine support behind your position when you enter it.
I cant wait for the new footy season to start and knock this rubbish on the head. I caught some cracking videos tonight 1 and half hours out where the market just turned against my every move and at times wiping out perfect amounts that I will be presenting to BF and asking them to get on top of. 500s, 400s etc... It feels a little out of control to me.
You may want to give this a try this Switesh. Obviously this is a very basic advice and rest assured the market will be reading it as well! If you want to enter with 20, then put 10 in and put 10 in the position behind or maybe 10 at the position you want to enter and 20, 2 ticks behind. If you feel it has gone against you, immediately try and scratch and enter in the opposite direction as you already have the next position in place if turned against you. (Where you put the next position could depend on stake) if you enter to much (but not enough to scare away the market), it will likely go straight through you. If you feel any genuine support behind you when you enter your position, then you may want to try and let it run a little longer that a simple tick. In my opinion only use the charts to know if you get a feel of any real money coming behind your orders if you enter at cross over points or at a point where money has not yet been. If you sit there thinking the market will come back and help you because it has already moved from 4s to 13s, forget it. Unless you are confident that is now a good back bet then dont rely on others in the market unless you see or feel genuine support behind your position when you enter it.
I cant wait for the new footy season to start and knock this rubbish on the head. I caught some cracking videos tonight 1 and half hours out where the market just turned against my every move and at times wiping out perfect amounts that I will be presenting to BF and asking them to get on top of. 500s, 400s etc... It feels a little out of control to me.
I tend not to go half-half or split stake with my entry. I fully committed on entry and usually look to scale in. It's usually the exits that I tend to split stakes or scale out.
Anyways, the next at Ayr has a very similar setup, front 2 priced at mid 2's.
Looking for my first green for the day.
Fared rather poor at Cartmel, and the evening card at Ballinrobe and Windsor will be challenging.
Anyways, the next at Ayr has a very similar setup, front 2 priced at mid 2's.
Looking for my first green for the day.
Fared rather poor at Cartmel, and the evening card at Ballinrobe and Windsor will be challenging.
to be honest I just get whipsawed, saw whipped and any other variation therof at cartmel on betfair. Whatever position I open gets pushed against me whether market dynamics say it is going the wrong way/right way or the trend is correct. At least on the daq market dynamics are usually correct. Positions aren't forced against you. Yes you have to get in earlier and with less money but I'd rather be positive all day but small amounts than get smashed all day on betfair and pay 60% for the privilege.
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steven1976
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its the same on BD jimrobo. I was on there last night and the front of the markets are so closely linked it is wrong.
I remember Jamest1st had a problem with smarkets and kicked off because the market makers werent happy and requested him to be banned.
My feeling is the money we see at the front of all these markets is the same people. On BD it is just BOTCENTRAL. My guess is he was putting in early positions on smarkets or BD knowing that if a price moved on betfair then it had to follow on smarkets. As we are all learning there is so little money in betfair markets (pre-off horses) that all you have to do is offer a couple of quid and it will move against you. Therefore if you can go fishing and be ready else where, there can be some good opportunities available in my opinion.
I remember Jamest1st had a problem with smarkets and kicked off because the market makers werent happy and requested him to be banned.
My feeling is the money we see at the front of all these markets is the same people. On BD it is just BOTCENTRAL. My guess is he was putting in early positions on smarkets or BD knowing that if a price moved on betfair then it had to follow on smarkets. As we are all learning there is so little money in betfair markets (pre-off horses) that all you have to do is offer a couple of quid and it will move against you. Therefore if you can go fishing and be ready else where, there can be some good opportunities available in my opinion.
its completely linked agree but I get a lot less of the pushing against me on BD. The strange thing is I see a lot of the time BD moves before BF. The markets seem to move a lot truer on BD for me so when it is really bad on BF I'll just sit on BD putting small stakes through and shouting a lot less at my PC!