What value looks like

Trading is often about how to take the appropriate risk without exposing yourself to very human flaws.
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Iron
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Interesting blog post from Peter:

http://www.betangel.com/blog_wp/2013/07 ... um=twitter

I wonder how many people would have stuck with the system from bet 664 to bet 868 and beyond. Not many, I would imagine.

The reason I'm currently in the world of work (and not a pro gambler) is that my system hit a long losing streak, and I threw in the towel. I had good reasons for doing so, but eventually the system recovered and has since shown a good profit over several thousand bets.

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Euler
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There is actually a lot of data in that post, I'm glad somebody read it!

I think the first drawdown would have got most people, but the second would have almost certainly finished them off for sure.
LinusP
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Why did you keep it going! I think I am too quick to discard strategies sometimes.
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Euler
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People often wonder why a strategy fails just as they start using it, but often it's just the swings and roundabouts that you normally see.

So you start a strategy it fails, so you stop. You start a strategy it works, so you increase stakes and it fails. But all it is doing in that zig zag pattern you see.

If you measure a strategy of return on capital it often looks and feels much smoother. So as long as you have a big enough bank you can ride out any short term variability. But few people do.
Wainwright
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I'd be tempted to call that blog post "What Does Confidence Look Like On A Bigger Scale" :o

- presumably the willingness to stick with a strategy that's down 15k after 150 events comes from the level of work put into it before event #1 on that chart (ie stats/backtest/small stakes etc) ?
foxwood
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I have a few strategies that map like that - and I do (have done) exactly as suggested - jump ship on the downs and increase stakes on the up - and promptly lose !

The next stage I usually go through is reviewing the strategy and backfitting to the history. This new wonder strategy then loses while the original one recovers and profits :(

It looks like many variance graphs to me - stocks and other financials - even poker players' results I have seen look similar when they are playing to EV.

I keep trying to think of ways to identify the starts of the big downs and the ups - if you stopped trading on the two major downs in the blog sample but caught the "ups" you could put another 85k on the top line and have a holiday in the gaps :)

Maybe there is something in Technical Indicators and various trend lines that might help identify those points and achieve that extra bonus ?
henryluca
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Early large volume ..price out...lay then back.....too easy....just saved nubies thousands of hours......enjoy the rewards !! :D
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