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[icarus121]

I won't ask what software you now use, as that would be inappropriate in this forum, but what features would Bet Angel need to add for you to switch back?


Jeff my old mucker!
Hope your well and the trading gods have been good for you over the last month. I see you have been lurking and couldn't resist this thread.

Great your back anyways my fellow Scot

[freddy]

Does it really matter how old I am? I'm only 19 but I realised I needed to put my all into understanding Betfair inside and out if I wanted to profit from it. I just don't understand the reasoning behind people's will to attend these trading courses that's all. Hard graft is what it takes, not someone telling you when to press a button for $700. I just think that those who take these courses are trying to take the easy option instead of putting their head down and getting on with it. Just my opinion, I expect not many people will agree but oh well.

I agree with you Naffman, never been on a course myself, but carn't imagine what info they can give you that isnt already freely avaible,
having said that it's up to them what they do with their money and as for the trading providers they are clearly supplying a demand.
I do wonder how many of these course attendees go on to be profitable traders though, as i said in a earlier post there is alot more to it than knowing what you should do and when you should do it.

[spreadbetting]

Not sure why people are assuming these courses are a complete waste of time when just about every job in the real world will provide you with some training to do the job properly. As long as the training is well thought out I see no reason why it should be any different and help you achieve your aims quicker.

I've never been on a course and a bit late for me now, as I've been at it for a fair few years, but it's a very naive and blinkered view to think these courses are a complete waste of time.

[PeterLe]

..but it's a very naive and blinkered view to think these courses are a complete waste of time.

Couldn't agree more.
If training/Coaching is a complete waste of time...why do all top golfers (for example) have coaches ?
Would you say that Rory is wasting his time having a coach, or would you say, its because Rory has such a good coach that its contributed to him becoming world number 1?

[freddy]

It depends on what your end goal is I suppose, what does the person want or expect out of the course.

If you go to collage and do a plumbing course for example, then the chances are with a bit of work and dedication you will go on to become a professional plumber and gain employment doing so.

But if the average person is sent to Rory’s golf coach they will not end up being a pro golfer, they may learn the basics but that’s not going to cut it if you aim is to make a living from it.

The same goes for trading, if the aim is making money most will fail with or without going on a course, as it requires a little something extra to succeed .

[spreadbetting]

It depends on what your end goal is I suppose, what does the person want or expect out of the course.

If you go to collage and do a plumbing course for example, then the chances are with a bit of work and dedication you will go on to become a professional plumber and gain employment doing so.

But if the average person is sent to Rory’s golf coach they will not end up being a pro golfer, they may learn the basics but that’s not going to cut it if you aim is to make a living from it.

The same goes for trading, if the aim is making money most will fail with or without going on a course, as it requires a little something extra to succeed .

Surely the trainer is there to get you playing to the best of your abilities if they're still not good enough to cut it at the top I fail to see how that's down to a competent trainer.

I've never been mugsgame's biggest fan but the criticism directed at him does seem a little unfair. From what I can see it's not as if he's conning anyone, he's proofed his abilities and earnings' plenty of times on here and elsewhere, you don't get to the top tier PC by luck. He probably didn't do himself any favours by setting up a website and saying he wouldn't be charging etc as everyone knows a couple of months down the line they'll be an ebook or course on offer to follow that pro website

There are plenty of 'trainers' out there who are continually touting for business without ever 'proofing' themselves don't think mugs should be lumped in with those tbh. As long as they come out more informed than before surely the trainers done his job, whether it's value for money is down to the attendee to decide.

[freddy]

It depends on what your end goal is I suppose, what does the person want or expect out of the course.

If you go to collage and do a plumbing course for example, then the chances are with a bit of work and dedication you will go on to become a professional plumber and gain employment doing so.

But if the average person is sent to Rory’s golf coach they will not end up being a pro golfer, they may learn the basics but that’s not going to cut it if you aim is to make a living from it.

The same goes for trading, if the aim is making money most will fail with or without going on a course, as it requires a little something extra to succeed .

Surely the trainer is there to get you playing to the best of your abilities if they're still not good enough to cut it at the top I fail to see how that's down to a competent trainer.

I've never been mugsgame's biggest fan but the criticism directed at him does seem a little unfair. From what I can see it's not as if he's conning anyone, he's proofed his abilities and earnings' plenty of times on here and elsewhere, you don't get to the top tier PC by luck. He probably didn't do himself any favours by setting up a website and saying he wouldn't be charging etc as everyone knows a couple of months down the line they'll be an ebook or course on offer to follow that pro website

There are plenty of 'trainers' out there who are continually touting for business without ever 'proofing' themselves don't think mugs should be lumped in with those tbh. As long as they come out more informed than before surely the trainers done his job, whether it's value for money is down to the attendee to decide.

Firsty im not aiming this at Peter or Mugggame, from what i have seen they are Genuine in that they provide services that they say they are going to provide,
so i have no issue with either.

My comments are more general to the industry as a whole.
Which is pretty rotten imo

I agree it's a trainers job to teach correct tequinque and get the best out of someone's abilities.

But Lets be honest most people start trading for one reason and one reason only and thats to make money and judging by some of the posts on here and around the web an awful lot of people think buying software or going on these courses will guarantee this .

It clearly doesnt work like that as we all know,
but that doesn't stop some people propeling the myth for there own gains.

Bottom line is if your going on a course to learn some basic techniques and to be pointed in the right direction, then thats what you should get with someone reputable,
but if your expecting the keys to the safe then you will be disapointed, whoever you choose .

Making money from trading is very very difficult but making money from teaching trading basics to people who know little about it is very easy. It important to see the distinction.

[spreadbetting]

My comments are more general to the industry as a whole.
Which is pretty rotten imo

I never thought there are that many mentors/trainers out there tbh, only ones I've heard of are Jack Birkhead and Caan Berry, Peter's academy , Mugsgame and Tony Hargreaves. Probably a few ebook sellers out there but can't be that many trainers.

[freddy]

There are a couple that have been exposed over the years, not going to start naming names though.

lets just say that the saying "those who can do and those who can't teach" applies to some ,

again clearly not talking about Peter or Muggs
who we know clearly can, Which is a good start

It's more a point i was making about the whole industry tbh, from bookie's resticting accounts, to ebook / system sellers / training course sellers / tipsters / sindicates you name it, most are compleate twaddel and serve only one perpose, to deprive you of you money .

[Iron]

JollyGreen in this forum used to offer private tuition, but I don't know if he still does.

Jeff

I never thought there are that many mentors/trainers out there tbh, only ones I've heard of are Jack Birkhead and Caan Berry, Peter's academy , Mugsgame and Tony Hargreaves.

[Iron]

+1

I suspect many people let their greed take over when they sign up to a course. They think, 'This guy will light the path for me, and all I need to do is put in the hours practicing what he taught me, and it will just be a matter of time before I'm rolling in money!'.

However, to quote the title of a book, where are the customers' yachts?

Maybe there are people who, having attended a course, are making decent money using what they learned, and keeping their success to themselves, but I doubt it...

One of the things I like about Mugs's offering is that he's willing to provide ongoing training. That means he can give bespoke feedback to clients, and, to use a driving instructor analogy, say stuff like:

'Have you checked your mirrors?'.

'Easy on the gas, you might need to slam on the breaks if conditions worsen'.

'This is the kind of situation where you need to push the metal to the floor'.

Jeff

Bottom line is if your going on a course to learn some basic techniques and to be pointed in the right direction, then thats what you should get with someone reputable,
but if your expecting the keys to the safe then you will be disapointed, whoever you choose .

[spreadbetting]

JollyGreen in this forum used to offer private tuition, but I don't know if he still does.

Jeff

I never thought there are that many mentors/trainers out there tbh, only ones I've heard of are Jack Birkhead and Caan Berry, Peter's academy , Mugsgame and Tony Hargreaves.

Fair enough Jeff, the only ones I ever see with websites touting for business are those I listed so sweeping comments like "the industry is pretty rotten" doesn't leave much leg room

[rogerlisa]

In the beginning Mugs and myself exchanged views when I was a Newbie. In fact it was a long thread that was difficult to defend whilst being a Newbie and we both probably said things that we wouldn't have said face to face.
After this exchange I was even more determined to make trading work but due to lack of free time I can honestly say I am still not confident to go full time.
I watched countless videos, attended PW's course and was in awe at what could be achieved.
In my opinion it is essential to attend a course on any subject as questions can be asked if you are unclear on something whilst a video is just really showing how good you are or what can be achieved if the world is perfect.
When the opportunity arose I jumped on one of Mg's courses as I feel the more info you have and different perspectives is invaluable. I have to say that this course was more informative than that of PW's. Hows that for a turn around eh Now that's not a slight on PW, he is at the top of his game and deserves recognition but his course tended to strive to show the capabilities of the software where as Mugs was specifically more on how to make money from the software available whether being BA or another. This is what I needed to know and I feel most other people are interested in.
In response to charging for the course. FFs what is wrong with that. I have made money from my current business and have had people work for me who have then gone on to open their own businesses but they sometimes use different equipment. I am afraid its called progression. Secondly, if you were paying BF's top PC but could find another avenue of generating revenue so as not to pay that PC what would you do
I know I am rambling a bit, but finally after PW's course that was it I was on my own unless I cough up more money for the next course. After Mugs's course I can still get home truths as to where I am cocking up or where I should be.
Rog

[freddy]

JollyGreen in this forum used to offer private tuition, but I don't know if he still does.

Jeff

I never thought there are that many mentors/trainers out there tbh, only ones I've heard of are Jack Birkhead and Caan Berry, Peter's academy , Mugsgame and Tony Hargreaves.

Fair enough Jeff, the only ones I ever see with websites touting for business are those I listed so sweeping comments like "the industry is pretty rotten" doesn't leave much leg room

As i said i was talking about the industry as a whole, if thats a sweeping statement then fair enough although i have already said there are exeptions .

Most that you have mentioned in your list are the people who have been around for a long time and there's probably a good reason for that.
They are clearly providing a service that people want,
whether or not it turns out to be value for money for the customer long term is down to the indiviual.

One on your list however, i would not touch with a 50 ft barge-pole .

[Iron]

Mugs was specifically more on how to make money from the software available whether being BA or another. This is what I needed to know and I feel most other people are interested in.

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After Mugs's course I can still get home truths as to where I am cocking up or where I should be.
Rog

Do you find that your daily and weekly profits are improving as a result?

Jeff