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Yirkaa
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Hi, just to add more in the perspective. I visited both courses PW´s and Mugsgame´s. Actually I visited exactly same courses as rogerlisa. I think both were invaluable.

I had best trading month in my life after visiting PWs course but I soon started to slip in my old habits, respectively I had no idea what I started doing wrong again. There was no feedback to point me in right direction when I got lost. I quit trading after 3 months.

Came back to it week before MG started posting on his blog again. He offered continuing mentorship after the seminar. His seminar did not offer anything more than you could with some effort make out of his videos. There wasnt any lightbulb moment. Just few puzzle pieces that came together.

I had bad month after his seminar but his continuing support and 1on1 sessions (free) were the push in right direction. He literally spent hours analyzing my trading day performance!!! As I continued to learn I started to be profitable again and in last month I had only 2 losing days. And he doesnt do "pushing buttons." He offers right tools and you have to learn to work with them but he is there when things go bad, that is the thing I missed after PW course, someone to watch over me and telling me how stupid I am :)

My daily and weekly results improved radically after first month and I am consistently making money now. I have never had feeling that MG is taking my money and tries to milk me. That idea is just ludicrous.

In the group there are people that were making money before and making more now, also there are people who tip the scales to the green direction. There are people who still struggle and we all are trying to support those. You cant make them green all. Only thing that MG course lacks is the mental aspect of the trading. That is your struggle but MG and people in the group can help, not with psychlogical mumbojumbo but with real life stories advices and support.

my 2 cents,
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Iron
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Yirkaa wrote: I had bad month after his seminar but his continuing support and 1on1 sessions (free) were the push in right direction. He literally spent hours analyzing my trading day performance!!!
I'll give Steve this - he's passionate about what he does, and he's not in it for the money. What you got was free in-depth coaching from someone who's made over a million pounds from Betfair. That's something that the people making snide comments might want to reflect on.

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Naffman
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rogerlisa wrote:In the beginning Mugs and myself exchanged views when I was a Newbie. In fact it was a long thread that was difficult to defend whilst being a Newbie and we both probably said things that we wouldn't have said face to face.
He has done this to a lot of newbies from what I have read. Now he can't stop helping newbies can he :lol: Is this a shift in character or does money really talk?

Anyway, I've got to stop commenting so much I reckon, so good luck to everyone who takes these courses, you'll need it :twisted:
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I've followed this thread silently, from what I can gather people are pissed off because they can't make the leap from tickling either side of breakeven, to constant profit. Or otherwise from making small profits, to making enough to do it full time (500-1500 a week as new posters regularly ask for! :roll: )

I've watched both Peter and Mugs' videos previously out of interest. I'm a gambler not a trader as I've stated before elsewhere. I prefer the high of coming home to Miranda Kerr sometimes, than coming home to Kerry Katona every night! :lol:

Still have an interest in going to one of Peters courses, the usual location coincides with a stayover at my ex's house so I'll wait until her monthly fiance is gone so there's space in the bed! ;)

In my opinion, and please don't slate me for my opinion, I see videos stating something along the lines of "Ok this is a good point to jump into the market" Without any explanation why. Is it a 2yo race where the fav is a bit "cocky" ;) A handicap with the 2nd fav sweating up a lot and a short price fav?

Are the "good points" to jump into the market due to market movement, or due to something else you've seen on betfair feed that you feel the market will follow, or is it a gut feeling that must be learned?

I'd happily watch a 10-20 min video of a trade on a horse hovering around 2.9-3.1 that went right and greens up, with explanations behind the trade, but then like to see another 10-20 min vid where the trade goes wrong with a horse in the same margins, and the author points out the loss point, and reds out. Admits errors, or what went against him. Or what didn't, and why he cut out early and lost anyway. That sort of thing. That's pure genuine, watching and learning from other peoples mistakes.

Every reasonable person should understand a trade can go for or against you, but if you're hiding the flaws and the what-if's in your system, then when the buyers come and reach those high and then low low points, they're gonna feel short sold. Their expectations need to be scaled to a level of reasonable attainment, given good or bad days: "Have you traded anything before?" "Do you know how a market works?"

BetAngel will help you make money if you know what you're doing, it'll also help bankrupt you within hours, if you fuck up on what you think you know, but don't really know! I think that's why Peter W has the videos on youtube, to show the possibilities. The possibilities are endless, how you use them, is up to youuuuu (Where's the echo smiley??)

Just my 2p worth for UK people, or 2c for Euro folk :)
Iron
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Are you deliberately trying to be unpleasant?

Jeff
Naffman wrote: Anyway, I've got to stop commenting so much I reckon, so good luck to everyone who takes these courses, you'll need it :twisted:
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+1
Dublin_Flyer wrote: I see videos stating something along the lines of "Ok this is a good point to jump into the market" Without any explanation why.

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Every reasonable person should understand a trade can go for or against you, but if you're hiding the flaws and the what-if's in your system, then when the buyers come and reach those high and then low low points, they're gonna feel short sold. Their expectations need to be scaled to a level of reasonable attainment, given good or bad days: "Have you traded anything before?" "Do you know how a market works?"
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Ferru123 wrote:Are you deliberately trying to be unpleasant?

Jeff
Naffman wrote: Anyway, I've got to stop commenting so much I reckon, so good luck to everyone who takes these courses, you'll need it :twisted:
+10 Jeff
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Naffman
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Ferru123 wrote:Are you deliberately trying to be unpleasant?
No, I just don't like people wasting there money that's all. I did it without a "guru" so I am sure other people can as well.
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Fair enough - perhaps I misread your tone, but it came across as mocking. :)

People like to look up to experts, and often their unquestioned faith can be misplaced. You have to look at what the expert says with an open and critical mind. That said, I think that traders can benefit from training and coaching (and there have been people in this thread who have done so).

It can be hard to see the wood from the trees when trading, so it can be useful to bounce ideas off someone. If that person reviews videos of you trading and provides individualized feedback, the coaching becomes even more effective. That approach works for top sportspeople, so why wouldn't it work for traders?

Jeff
Naffman wrote: No, I just don't like people wasting there money that's all. I did it without a "guru" so I am sure other people can as well.
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No worries Jeff, I think I am just coming from a different perspective having not being to one of these courses. I suppose saying that makes my judgment sound a bit flawed seeing as I have not actually experienced what PW and Mugs bring to the table.
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Naffman wrote: I suppose saying that makes my judgment sound a bit flawed seeing as I have not actually experienced what PW and Mugs bring to the table.
Exactly so you shouldn't really be criticizing it as you don't really know what they are offering ;)
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Online Trader wrote:Exactly so you shouldn't really be criticizing it as you don't really know what they are offering ;)
I was trying to play nice, obviously that just makes you weak in the trading world does it :D
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Naffman wrote:
Ferru123 wrote:Are you deliberately trying to be unpleasant?
No, I just don't like people wasting there money that's all. I did it without a "guru" so I am sure other people can as well.

Caring for others as well as cracking the markets, on your own, at the tender age of 19, only wish I'd have been so clued up after a year or two's trading. You'll have the UN asking for advice at this rate.
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I've ducked this thread in the name of fairness of debate. But here is some input.

First the ambassador campaign. I've been pestering Betfair for ages to get some recognition for trading to legitimise it. So when they said they were doing something I was delighted to offer my help.

They felt they needed several people to put up. So I gave them a list of established Bet Angel users known to me. Betfair have always had this mantra of trying to be fair to all vendors so they felt they should split the campaign along software lines. That's how a long term Bet Angel user who's been on my course twice ended up being asked to show some other software.

On training front you always have this contradiction in the market. If you are that good why not just do it. I did my first course in Manchester in 2004. Back then it was almost impossible to get traction on the concept of trading on exchanges without teaching people how to do it and how to use software. That's how I started and it's continued to this day, albeit its scope has expanded significantly from there. It's well known that some of the advice givers out there have NEVER traded effectively in the market. Others did trade the market but have been pushed out of the market and now offer training as a way to earn a living. I don't see that as a major problem as long as they are honest about it.

From my perspective I still trade for a living first and everything else is secondary to that. Despite the software and training business, I've earned more from trading than anything else. But that's because I put a bucket load of hard work into it. I understand the markets from all angles in wonderful detail now, far better than I have in the past. When I've had a really good day I'm often left wondering why a bunch of photographers are not outside the office to catch a glimpse. :lol: But seriously, I've been contemplating putting it all into a formal academic study as some of it is really interesting from an academic perspective (often useless for trading) but that's unrealistic at the moment. Maybe someday.

Each morning I analyse yesterdays trades, look for new angles, work on strategies, update spreadsheets etc. Then from 2-9pm (at least) in the summer I trade. That doesn't leave a great deal of time for much else to be honest. To operate in the markets at a high level that's what you need to do.

As some of you can testify, I've often helped out people outside of my standard trading material. But you quickly spot a problem, time. If you trade full time it's difficult to realistically help people at a level that they require, especially if they are struggling. You also often reach this point where you said so much in so much detail that it's easier if you just click yourself! The psychology of trading is something I've conquered from an initially weak starting position but it's something that nobody is really interested in curiously, but IMHO something that is vital. The ability to take risk and react to potential problems.

When in the markets you just tend to do it, function at a level that allows you to maximise the opportunity. No distractions, just focusing on the opportunities in front of you. So I've never considered a room where people can ask me questions real time. Just never seemed feasible. I go mental if the phone rings when I'm trading!

I've often played with the concept of bringing people into the training side of the business and have offered the chance to several established users. But one of the problems I've seen here is that when you bring people up to the level where they can trade well, they just want to do that.

But one thing I think may work well is opening up the office to Bet Angel users that want to trade from here. We have a really nice set up, high speed internet and of course that would be a great environment to learn from. I can carry on trading and scream the odd bit of advice when it happens. If people are up for this I'd happily consider it. We are working on new educational stuff at the moment, but that has been delayed unfortunately. It just a question of how to scale my knowledge to users in a way that works for all parties.

So what advice would I give to anybody (in any market or sport) wanting to learn something.

Go get advice from people who are least able to provide it. Because that advice is probably the most valuable.
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Naffman
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I knew you were watching from afar Peter. You were just waiting for the opportune moment to strike, like you do in the markets :lol:
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