One Click Screen Trading

[dogtown123]

Hello,

I've been trading for a few months now, I need some help with the below trade:

One Click Screen Trading in Play
Off set bet by 10 ticks (no greening up) off set bet only
£50 stakes

All back bets first one after the after with the auto lay bet

Back with £50 @ 1.35
Lay with £50 @ 1.22


Back with £8.85 @ 1.12
Lay with £50 @ 1.02


Back with £50 @ 1.03
Lay with £50 @ 1.01


£7.37 winnings if my horse which I traded wins the race, remember no greening up.

£41.15 if any of the other horses win the race.

Can someone please explain how this happened and how it works?

I was using £50 stakes but on the 2nd back only £8.85 was successful.


P.s I do have screen shots if this will help.

Thanks in advance

[LeTiss]

It's because the second back bet at 1.12 was only part matched, but the lay bet was fully matched.

In other words, you'd make £50 on the other horses, minus your £8.85 leaving a potential profit of £41.15 on all the other selections with a smaller green on your selection

[Dallas]

LeTiss is absolutly right and best way to avoid this is to tick the "fill or kill bets" box that way the lay (or offset of the bet) will only be placed after the back amount has been matched.

[dogtown123]

Thanks for your responses

With this in mind if I was to do somthing similar in the PLACE markets

Back @ £5
Lay the same horse for £50 at lower odds

What would be the outcome?

Thanks once again.

[dogtown123]

How can I profit from this in the place markets?

[Dallas]

I assume that was back at £50?. Place markets work the same way as win markets in regards to trading, back at a higher price than you lay then either green up for a equal profit on all horse or leave a large green on just one and hope thats placed

[dogtown123]

Hi Dallas,

Thanks for your response, yes sorry just a typo.

In regards to an eailer post in relation to kill or fill

I've noticed with in play trading if you have off set betting switch on, place a back bet and then the blue box goes clear and stops trading due to the horse being a clear winner a lay bet is auto placed in the market and matched loosing me money.

Will the kill or fill option stop this?

If not, how can I prevent this from happening?

[Dallas]

Yes using the "fill or kill" will prevent this - without the "fill or kill" being ticked when you place a back bet a lay bet is simultaneous placed at your offset number of ticks so there is the risk that your back bet is not matched or only part matched the price drops and just your full £50 lay is taken.

By ticking the "fill or Kill" when your opening bet in your case the back bet is matched the lay bet is then placed so will never lay more than amount that already has been matched on the back side and prevents the above scenario - by also using the "offset batches" you can also also have your offset lay bet when only part of your back bet has been taken rather than after its all been matched like what happened in your 2nd example in your earlier post.

See this help page for a fuller explanation of offset batches

http://www.betangel.com/user-guide/offs ... =&sct=MA==

Also have you tried using the ladder page for this - you can do everything the same with one click but you can see a much better view of the market and also where your money exactly is - try one race in practice mode see if it suits you better (just ensure the blue cog on the ladder page is uncrossed so as to enable the global settings).

PS pressing enter on your keyboard re-centers all the ladders as the prices move about.

[dogtown123]

Massive help Dallas, just 1 more question I promise lol

When placing a back bet in play, I've noticed when using let's say £50 stakes and there's only £12 in the market, my £50 back bet dosnt get matched.

Is there a way to use bet angle to take up and match any monies upto the value of my back stake at £50?

Rather than, place a back bet at £50 and get matched at £50

If there's only £15 on the horse, I would be happy with that, but in play it takes too long to adjust your stake amount?

I'm talking back only no trading involved.

Thanks

[Dallas]

If i understand your question correctly if you look at the image i have attached for an example.
If you place £50 back bet @ 3.85 because there is only £31 on the lay side thats all that will be matched and £19 of your money will be left on the back side untill someone takes it with lay money, if you want your whole stake matching in one go by placing you back bet of £50 at 3.7 if will fully match your £50 by taking all the £43 avalible at the higher odds of 3.85,3.80,3.75 and match the remianing £7 against the £17 at 3.7

If you only wanted the best price avalible in this case the £31 @ 3.85 by setting "fill or kill" to a very fast 1 or 2 seconds delay then any money still not matched within this time will be removed, all the above applies the same to both straight betting and trading.

[dogtown123]

Thank you so much for your help Dallas.

I quote ...

If you want your whole stake matching in one go by placing your back bet of £50 at 3.7 if will fully match your £50 by taking all the £43 avalible at the higher odds of 3.85,3.80,3.75 and match the remianing £7 against the £17 at 3.7


This idea I like, as it's not the decimal odds I'm worried about, all I want to do is have my bets match at any back price rather than best current odds.

Using the above method, how can I do this on the One-click trading screen?

[Dallas]

On the one click screen regardless if you have your odds display set to "normal" or "reverse" you just need to click on the box furthest to the left (in the image below on the Fav it would be the 2.92 price) it will then start matching your £50 from the best back price in the middle box of 2.96 down to 2.92 - if you add up the money avalible in the image you will see it totals £47 so there will be £3 still left unmatched at 2.92.
You can use the settings (just above the make market button) and under grid layout select 5 prices to be shown instead of just 3 which will give you a better chance of having your whole £50 matched in 1 go.

[dogtown123]

Brilliant, I will be sure to add more columns to the one click screen.

Just out of curiosity, If I was using the ladder interface and placed all my £50 stakes at the backing price of 1.01, would the above situation still work?

I.e match all my monies at any price up untill the odds reach 1.01, and then obviously match at 1.01 ?

[Dallas]

Yes by placing a back bet at 1.01 will guarantee your full stake will be matched instantly, it will always start matching at the highest and best possible price (unless the horse is already trading at 1.01 in the last moment of the race).
Many of the big in play trader will place there back bets at odds like this especially track side to ensure they get fully matched in one go with out having to worry what money is on the layside.

Have you looked at BA in-play trader? its the winning post icon, you can set your stake and in one click place back or lays here and also get a good overall view how the rest of the field is doing

[dogtown123]

Yes, I have used the BA in play trader before, but was unsure if it worked like the above method, would I be better off using the in play trader than the ladder or one click screen?

If I placed a £200 back bet on the in play trader at 1.01 and there was only £75 on the horse at that time, will it fully match at the £75 and give me profit?