How To Make a Profitable Automation Rule in Guardian

[guy333]

I have said before that a "number of matched bets on the market" criteria would be very useful.

I don't see how the "lay the field" but "cancel if x" rule works without it. How do you prevent the "cancel all bets" from triggering once you have got one match?

Suppose you lay the field at 1.75 and get one horse matched. How do you prevent all other bets being cancelled if the nearest horse is still above 5.

If the cancel all bets criteria is fav = 2 then what if the fav trades at 2.02 and then jumps to 1.96 - the cancel all bets rule will not trigger.

If you set the cancel all bets criteria at fav < 2 then surely you are likely to end up with only one match if other horses drift to above 5.

Hope this makes sense.

[LeTiss]

Laying the field would be a brilliant automation strategy if BA developed Dutching/Bookmaking into the automation software, especially with regards to the staking calculations

[PeterLe]

Hi Guy
I didn't quite use all the suggestions Dallas posted, it was just my own version.
there are limitations using guardian automation (It's much easier in excel IMO), but if you think laterally you can get around those limitations by using the rules available to you.
LeTiss - Can you not do this already using the book percentage rule? or do you mean a bookmaking rule in itself that fires when certain conditions are met ( and I guess you could specify place bet at best reverse price etc?) yes that would be a good idea

[LeTiss]

LeTiss - Can you not do this already using the book percentage rule? or do you mean a bookmaking rule in itself that fires when certain conditions are met ( and I guess you could specify place bet at best reverse price etc?) yes that would be a good idea

I didn't explain that well, but you clearly could see what I was trying to say. Yes, I was referring to an actual bookmaking/dutching rule which fires trades when conditions have been met

[guy333]

I have worked out quite a good lay the field rule (just need to prevent all unmatched bets cancelling premarurely).

But I haven't got time for any more lateral thinking today as the wife is on the war path.

[Dallas]

So you just want to prevent the remaining lays cancelling once the 1st is matached - is that right?

[guy333]

So you just want to prevent the remaining lays cancelling once the 1st is matached - is that right?

Yes.

[Dallas]

Add the "Green all profit Condition" and set it to equal 0

[guy333]

This is embarrassing.

I can't get the "lay the field" to trigger.

I have set it to trigger once between 20 seconds and 8 minutes after the race goes in play.

condition 1 = race is inplay
condition 2 actual sp of fav is > 1.9

[Dallas]

I have sent you a PM

[Dallas]

I created a little test today using a basic strategy inspired by the original post by Dallas, whilst I was out and about, its had a fair day. (that last race at Wolv 16:45 had 4 under 2 for instance).
Worth having a crack, even if you just use tiny stakes, you wont lose much (Test in practice etc first)
Good fun!

Hope you filled your boots again Peter, Chepstow was particular good for me

Laying the field would be a brilliant automation strategy if BA developed Dutching/Bookmaking into the automation software, especially with regards to the staking calculations

Its something that could open some doors for me too so would certainly welcome it in a future upgrade

[PeterLe]

Hope you filled your boots again Peter, Chepstow was particular good for me

Not as good for me today Dallas; I tweaked what I was doing yesterday, looking for less wins but a bigger payoff

Glad you've had a good day!

[PeterLe]

I just wanted to come back to this post by Dallas from early December..
I've perviously (many times) tried to do something similar via excel and never had a rock solid strategy. So I left it to one side in favour of other strategies that were working.
When Dallas posted this I decided to have a go via guardian automation (even though its much harded to do that excel imo*)..Over the last few weeks Ive been tweaking here and there and after feeling that it was working, I changed it today from betting with min £2 stakes to staking by liability. On the last race alone it took £39 green which was a cracking result given that it is capped in terms of number of bets etc...There have been three or four races today where horses have been turned over at very low odds
The reason Ive posted this is to really inspire any newbies to give it a try (in practice mode perhaps)
To add; I havent followed Dallas exact method, I modified it. (Dallas intention on this post was just an example, not a fully proved system etc)

Next Step; Once this has built a good record in terms of Profit, Ill relax the number of bets conditions and up the liability.
Rehards
Peter
* = I have the feeling that Guardian Automation is fractionally faster that Excel? Does anyone have any data to confirm ? Thanks

[Rinoa]

Just re-read Dallas's opening post.

He's made a few edits, so for those who didn't quite grasp the finer details first time round (like me ) it may be worth another look.

[sionascaig]

Hi, I've been playing around with the "alternative" 2nd approach in isolation - back outsider when fav is strong - and also had a couple of big wins (on min stakes) yesterday. Going back to Dallas's original post (as a newbie), I would recommend testing the two scenarios seperately just to get a feel for what safety conditions should be built in before combining them - or maybe I'm too cautious!

Thanks for the idea - having a lot of fun playing around with it....

Regards
J