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Someone tell me when i trade i usually have my Profit and loss positions in the before green up settings (tab off tick per movement). Sometimes on days like today and yesterday i have guardian switch markets to go to another 5 minutes in.Say i completed a trade for £20, i was under the impression guardian greens that up when market is in play, i go back to the race and find the trade is still not hedged only if i hedge it manually or i go back to that market then Guardian greens it acording to the rule. Shouldnt it green if i am away from the market to say i looking at another race or football match
Any surgestions appreciated
Guardian not monitering trades
Thats correct Dallas if i go to another market my completed trade remains ungreened as soon as i switch back to the market it then greens up at best available priceDallas wrote:Not sure i have read or understood your question correcly but are you saying that you have a green up automation rule that greens during in play but has failed to do so when guardian has opened another market?
The automation rules do run in the background but for them to run correctly timing wise the market needs to be open.
If you have a rule that triggers and places a back bet into the market every 5 seconds - providing the market is open thats what it will do, if the market is in guardian but not open then you have to wait for guardian to cycle through all its markets till it gets to it before any triggers are activated.
So if you have 10 markets loaded into guardian and your guardians refresh interval set to 3 secs it will only trigger the rule on any un-open markets once every 30 secs (the time it takes to cycle through all the markets).
Even if you increase the guardian refresh rate to its fastest 200ms if you have dozens of markets there will still be big gaps between the times which it checks and triggers any rules on un opened markets.
So for your green up rule if it was set to green at £20 profit with the market open that will happen immediately, if the market is not open it will only trigger providing there is still more than £20 profit showing then next time it cycles round to that market.
There is a few ways to avoid this
1) Open more than 1 instance of BA and have all the markets you want to run automation on in one guardian then use the other BA to trade manually.
Downside to this is it can be come confusing especially if trading the same sports and actual markets both manual and automated as they pop open - but this is ideal if you are leaving your computer unattended or not trading manually as each instance of BA/guardian can just open and switch to markets as needed.
2) Have BA on more than one computer set one up with all your automation and trade manually from the other, - that's my usual way of doing things although on boxing day i had my main PC set just to trade a few footie games manually but for all the horse racing i had 3 BA's open on separate laptops (even commandeered my sons laptop) and spread all the meeting across them so i could run automation on them all without worrying that any would switch to the next market as one meeting clashed with the next.
If you have a rule that triggers and places a back bet into the market every 5 seconds - providing the market is open thats what it will do, if the market is in guardian but not open then you have to wait for guardian to cycle through all its markets till it gets to it before any triggers are activated.
So if you have 10 markets loaded into guardian and your guardians refresh interval set to 3 secs it will only trigger the rule on any un-open markets once every 30 secs (the time it takes to cycle through all the markets).
Even if you increase the guardian refresh rate to its fastest 200ms if you have dozens of markets there will still be big gaps between the times which it checks and triggers any rules on un opened markets.
So for your green up rule if it was set to green at £20 profit with the market open that will happen immediately, if the market is not open it will only trigger providing there is still more than £20 profit showing then next time it cycles round to that market.
There is a few ways to avoid this
1) Open more than 1 instance of BA and have all the markets you want to run automation on in one guardian then use the other BA to trade manually.
Downside to this is it can be come confusing especially if trading the same sports and actual markets both manual and automated as they pop open - but this is ideal if you are leaving your computer unattended or not trading manually as each instance of BA/guardian can just open and switch to markets as needed.
2) Have BA on more than one computer set one up with all your automation and trade manually from the other, - that's my usual way of doing things although on boxing day i had my main PC set just to trade a few footie games manually but for all the horse racing i had 3 BA's open on separate laptops (even commandeered my sons laptop) and spread all the meeting across them so i could run automation on them all without worrying that any would switch to the next market as one meeting clashed with the next.
Dallas
probably worthwhile looking at VPS's in the new year (if you dont have one already), if the strategies are paying their way in terms of covering VPS costs, it just makes everything much easier and you can keep our eye on them all from your IPad.
I had about six instances running from two VPS's today ( sometimes I run more than that as there are no limitations on data requests anymore; youre only limited by the transactions per hour) . I don't even bother counting the transactions these days and never seem to get hit by charges even though I go well over 1000/hour
sorry for going off topic, but I would wholehearted recommend the VPS's, I'm all for making life easier where possible!
Regards
Peter
probably worthwhile looking at VPS's in the new year (if you dont have one already), if the strategies are paying their way in terms of covering VPS costs, it just makes everything much easier and you can keep our eye on them all from your IPad.
I had about six instances running from two VPS's today ( sometimes I run more than that as there are no limitations on data requests anymore; youre only limited by the transactions per hour) . I don't even bother counting the transactions these days and never seem to get hit by charges even though I go well over 1000/hour
sorry for going off topic, but I would wholehearted recommend the VPS's, I'm all for making life easier where possible!
Regards
Peter
Thanks for the input Peter, VPS is not something I currently use, the main reason being is i only trade from home and only run automation when i am there to keep a check on everything so dont have much need to access BA from other locations
My current set up is like this on days other than bank holidays
Main BF account - Main computer and just manual trading (also logged into my BD)
2nd BF account - laptop testing stratergies in practice
2nd BF account - 2nd laptop running just automation & capturing market data (also logged into my BD)
Im am going to have to rethink a few things based on how im currently set especially as im expecting my 2nd account to be closed anyday now and my rules often have P&L and/or matched bets amount conditions hence the reason they are run on a seperate account to my manual trading.
I have done it this way ever since they scrapped the data request limits but tbh i never even thought about the 1000 charges per hour although its probebly higher than i think i would nt expect it to be anywhere near the 1000/hr so should be ok on that part.
I have given VPS some thought recently but still not fully decided, Looking at the above would you still think VPS could simplify things significantly with my current setup?
My current set up is like this on days other than bank holidays
Main BF account - Main computer and just manual trading (also logged into my BD)
2nd BF account - laptop testing stratergies in practice
2nd BF account - 2nd laptop running just automation & capturing market data (also logged into my BD)
Im am going to have to rethink a few things based on how im currently set especially as im expecting my 2nd account to be closed anyday now and my rules often have P&L and/or matched bets amount conditions hence the reason they are run on a seperate account to my manual trading.
I have done it this way ever since they scrapped the data request limits but tbh i never even thought about the 1000 charges per hour although its probebly higher than i think i would nt expect it to be anywhere near the 1000/hr so should be ok on that part.
I have given VPS some thought recently but still not fully decided, Looking at the above would you still think VPS could simplify things significantly with my current setup?
Last edited by Dallas on Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Hard to say really Dallas?Dallas wrote:
I have given VPS some thought recently but still not fully decided, Looking at the above would you still think VPS could simplify things significantly with my current setup?
Other that the ease of access and setting up etc; there is also a very important consideration and that is connection speed to betfair.
On a VPS, you will access betfair <15ms (or better), much faster than you would from home. So if you strategies depend on being first in when a certain condition appears, then you may find your strategies run better on a VPS?
Regards
Peter