I think I have found serious bugs in BetAngel

[gutuami]

Why not pester Betfair and ask them to reduce minimum bet size to 1p, should be easy enough. Afterall that's the core issue here isn't it?

they should allow api software to place under 2 pounds bets @ odds bigger then 100 or at least at 1000.

[marko236]

Why not pester Betfair and ask them to reduce minimum bet size to 1p, should be easy enough. Afterall that's the core issue here isn't it?

they should allow api software to place under 2 pounds bets @ odds bigger then 100 or at least at 1000.

Agree why lower limit on api and then make you bet at £2 before your lower bet is matched? i think betfair do this so that traders end up going over 1000 bets an hour and they can charge them.

[convoysur-2]

The other greening options have exactly the same problem.

Give me an example of when you can see a 1000 back bet with nothing on the lay side and you would bet it to win.?

As Euler said, at least have the option to green up if odds are below a given price eg 999?

And in case your wondering Ive used most the other programs out there and they green up as I am suggesting. But I want to use BetAngel.

So what do you guys do? Or have you all got betting banks in the £1000's?

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Another problem 1:35 Lingfield

I dutched two horses Kubeba and Scot Daddy

Kubeba is withdrawn and I cant green/red up to reduce my liability.

Another Bug or a Betfair peculiarity.

Ok I'm a small stakes player, but weren't we all once? Or is BetAngel only for traders and autobots?

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Whilst on the subject of dutching

How can you vary the profits per runner?

I cant see how to do this is the help guide.

eg I fancy 3 horses to win but one of them more than the other two.
As it is I can have a target win figure of say £10 for each runner, but I cant see how to have say zero 5 and 10 targets favouring the horses I fancy?

Or cant BetAngel do this?

[Dallas]

I fancy 3 horses to win but one of them more than the other two.
As it is I can have a target win figure of say £10 for each runner, but I cant see how to have say zero 5 and 10 targets favouring the horses I fancy?

Or cant BetAngel do this?

Tick the "Over ride target profit" box immedietly to the right of where it shows your predicted profit (Target win figure) and set the amount you want for each selection.

[Euler]

http://www.betangel.com/user-guide/bet_ ... ching.html

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Thanks Dallas. I see how to do it, thank you.

Euler
I'm obviously taking up way too much of your time.

your link and help guide only says

There are certain circumstances where if you dutch a market and have failed to account for the impact of withdrawn selections you could face a substantial loss. Please make sure you understand the market you are dutching and make sure you clearly read the rules of the market to asses any possible impact.

So; two bets in a dutch. They are in effect two separate bets with varing stakes and odds but together they give the required profit if one wins.

But , one of them is withdrawn after both are matched. You therefore have only one bet running. In play it looks like its going to lose. But I cant green/red up because for some reason that option is no longer available to me.

What is that reason if its not too much trouble to ask? Thank you.

[Tanden]

If you go into "Edit Settings..." and then go to the Behaviour tab you will find a tick box labelled "Disable green up calculation following dutching"

This link may be of use...

http://www.betangel.com/knowledge-base/ ... n-shows-na

[asaele]

I have said we will look at it and put something on the development roster, but we have to assess how it impacts everything else before we attempt to make a change and also there are other items ahead of it at any one time. It's never been requested before.

Found this old thread after using the dutching tool actively for the first time. Backed the field at Australian Open. Everything worked fine, except for the 1000 odds selections where it bet way too much.No problem betting fractions at shorter (but still very high) odds. This bug is a bit expensive when there are several selections on 1000 odds.

Would be very interested in a solution/workaround. And of course this is important to free funds by backing all selections as Euler mentioned another place in the thread.

Edit: this may not be the correct thread as my issue is not the same as OP. But thought it was related.

[Jim Royle]

I have said we will look at it and put something on the development roster, but we have to assess how it impacts everything else before we attempt to make a change and also there are other items ahead of it at any one time. It's never been requested before.

Found this old thread after using the dutching tool actively for the first time. Backed the field at Australian Open. Everything worked fine, except for the 1000 odds selections where it bet way too much.No problem betting fractions at shorter (but still very high) odds. This bug is a bit expensive when there are several selections on 1000 odds.

Would be very interested in a solution/workaround. And of course this is important to free funds by backing all selections as Euler mentioned another place in the thread.

Edit: this may not be the correct thread as my issue is not the same as OP. But thought it was related.

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

[asaele]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

Exactly, this is what happens.

Do you know what triggers the "extra" £2 bet? Is it the odds of 1000, or the fractional bet below a certain level, like £0.09?
Placing £100 total, a £0.1 bet on 900 odds works fine.

If it is the too low bet size (0.09) that is the problem, a workaround would be to place slightly larger bet. Anyway, hope this can be looked at and fixed in a later version.

[jamesedwards]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

Exactly, this is what happens.

Do you know what triggers the "extra" £2 bet? Is it the odds of 1000, or the fractional bet below a certain level, like £0.09?
Placing £100 total, a £0.1 bet on 900 odds works fine.

If it is the too low bet size (0.09) that is the problem, a workaround would be to place slightly larger bet. Anyway, hope this can be looked at and fixed in a later version.

£2 minimum stake is a Betfair limitation. Bet Angel gets around the £2 min stake by placing a bet at the maximum possible odds of 1000 and then cancelling the unwanted part of the bet before reducing the odds down to desired level. If the market is already trading at the max possible price of 1000 then the whole £2 will be traded before Bet Angel has the chance to cancel the unwanted part of the stake.

I don't use green up myself, but there is this setting under the green up tab that presumably ignores 1000 selections when greening up. This will get around the error but leave you with large liabilities on any of the 1000/1 selections at the time.

delet.PNG

[asaele]

Thanks, that explains why it behaves like it does.

My practical problem is not with green up though, but trying to place fractional back bets at 1000 odds in the dutching tab.
I guess that is just not possible then?

[ShaunWhite]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

This hasn't been necessary for years. Minumim stakes are restricted by the minimum payout for your currency. You can lay 1p at 1000 or back 1p at 200 in one transaction.

https://docs.developer.betfair.com/disp ... /Liability