Yes all automation files are fully editable at any point and quiet straight forward to use once you get started - so its just as easy to tell it to back all runners in a price range as it is just the fav
Then its just a case of adding the markets to guardian each morning and applying the rules to them and it'll do the rest for you.
Here's a link for some Bet Angel video's on how to use - when you have chance its worth watching some
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3moj8lg ... 3A6C182236
and below is link to some example files for users to download and experiment with
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11238
Automating a small loss
Thanks Dallas, I managed to load it this time.
For the price range of over 6.0 and under 10.0 do I do this on the Hedge Profit or Hedge Loss conditions?
And for my stake, will it just place the amount I have on my Default stake in the settings?
I see on some of the videos on the link you gave me it shows adding and changing parameters but I cannot seem to add any. Is there a reason for this/
Thanks.
For the price range of over 6.0 and under 10.0 do I do this on the Hedge Profit or Hedge Loss conditions?
And for my stake, will it just place the amount I have on my Default stake in the settings?
I see on some of the videos on the link you gave me it shows adding and changing parameters but I cannot seem to add any. Is there a reason for this/
Thanks.
On some of the rule types (green all, close trade on selection etc) no parameters are required so its disabled on these rule types.
To modify the rule for what you want on the "General tab" highlight the profit condition and click on the green minus icon to delete it so your now left with just the loss rule.
Then go on to the "conditions tab" and set the loss amount to what you want to use.
Now you need to add your back bet part unless you want place your back bets manually and just leave the rule manage any losses in which case just leave as it is above.
To automate you back bets as well
Go back to the "general tab" and this time click on the green plus sign to add another rule type to the file and follow the below instructions
General Tab
Rule Type
Place a Back Bet
*Select relevant to event start time*
Arm Trigger at 00:00:10 (before event start time)
Till 00:00:01 (after before start time)
Allow rule to trigger 5 times / wait 1 sec before re-arm
Applies to selection ANY
Parameters Tab
Place at "Best Market Price"
Fixed amount "£(enter whatever stake you want)"
Conditions
"Number of Matched bets Condition"
Number of matched bets on selection Is equal to "0"
"Fixed Odds condition"
The Selections
Last traded price is less than 10.0
"Fixed Odds condition"
The selections
Last traded price is greater than 6.0
And that's it - the rule will back any runners between 6-10.0 a few secs before the off and if your total loss exceeds the amount you set it will close the trade
Now with your markets in guardian apply that rule to each of them and it'll do the rest
Always try automation's in practice mode when first making any rule and even after any changes to ensure its working as you expect.
To modify the rule for what you want on the "General tab" highlight the profit condition and click on the green minus icon to delete it so your now left with just the loss rule.
Then go on to the "conditions tab" and set the loss amount to what you want to use.
Now you need to add your back bet part unless you want place your back bets manually and just leave the rule manage any losses in which case just leave as it is above.
To automate you back bets as well
Go back to the "general tab" and this time click on the green plus sign to add another rule type to the file and follow the below instructions
General Tab
Rule Type
Place a Back Bet
*Select relevant to event start time*
Arm Trigger at 00:00:10 (before event start time)
Till 00:00:01 (after before start time)
Allow rule to trigger 5 times / wait 1 sec before re-arm
Applies to selection ANY
Parameters Tab
Place at "Best Market Price"
Fixed amount "£(enter whatever stake you want)"
Conditions
"Number of Matched bets Condition"
Number of matched bets on selection Is equal to "0"
"Fixed Odds condition"
The Selections
Last traded price is less than 10.0
"Fixed Odds condition"
The selections
Last traded price is greater than 6.0
And that's it - the rule will back any runners between 6-10.0 a few secs before the off and if your total loss exceeds the amount you set it will close the trade
Now with your markets in guardian apply that rule to each of them and it'll do the rest
Always try automation's in practice mode when first making any rule and even after any changes to ensure its working as you expect.
Thanks again Dallas, I am sure it has been said before but there aren't many like you around especially helping the newbies. You are a real gent.
Unfortunately I have to go out now but look forward to trying this out on Wolverhampton tonight.
Good luck today.
Unfortunately I have to go out now but look forward to trying this out on Wolverhampton tonight.
Good luck today.
Dallas, all is going well apart from it seems to only be betting on the favourite or one horse in each race instead of all that are in the price range. I am trying to place a bet on all that are within the 6.0 to 10.0 price range.
Also, I would like to try and have a different get out amount for different price ranges. So can I have two different rules on the same race, can I just add new rules to the same profit and loss settings or is this not at all possible.
For example, green up at -£5 when laying horses with odds between 6.0 and 10.0 and green up at -£10 when laying horses with odds between 15.0 and 25.0.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Also, I would like to try and have a different get out amount for different price ranges. So can I have two different rules on the same race, can I just add new rules to the same profit and loss settings or is this not at all possible.
For example, green up at -£5 when laying horses with odds between 6.0 and 10.0 and green up at -£10 when laying horses with odds between 15.0 and 25.0.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Do you have the first part of the rule exactly how i put it? in particular the underlined parts
General Tab
Rule Type
Place a Back Bet
*Select relevant to event start time*
Arm Trigger at 00:00:10 (before event start time)
Till 00:00:01 (before start time)
Allow rule to trigger 5 times / wait 1 sec before re-arm
Applies to selection ANY
Its fully flexable how you want to close/green up including doing by individual selections either if a combined loss is reached or if just one of them is running well close just that and leave the others.
General Tab
Rule Type
Place a Back Bet
*Select relevant to event start time*
Arm Trigger at 00:00:10 (before event start time)
Till 00:00:01 (before start time)
Allow rule to trigger 5 times / wait 1 sec before re-arm
Applies to selection ANY
Its fully flexable how you want to close/green up including doing by individual selections either if a combined loss is reached or if just one of them is running well close just that and leave the others.
Hi Dallas, I have to admit I changed a couple of things, because it didn't go to plan in the first race I tried it on.
You have said place a back bet and allow to trigger 5 times, well this meant it placed 5 back bets before the race started so I managed to quickly cancel 4 of these. I am also trying to lay these runners for a small loss or win the full stake, not back them so I changed Place back bet to Place lay bet.
Do these changes amke sense or should I go back to your rules?
Thanks.
You have said place a back bet and allow to trigger 5 times, well this meant it placed 5 back bets before the race started so I managed to quickly cancel 4 of these. I am also trying to lay these runners for a small loss or win the full stake, not back them so I changed Place back bet to Place lay bet.
Do these changes amke sense or should I go back to your rules?
Thanks.
The "Place a back bet" was a typo on my part and quiet rightly should of been "Place a lay Bet" 
The rest is of it is exactly how you need it to be
It was set to trigger 5 times so it could lay up to 5 runners (you could of course add more)
By also using the condition i put in where the matched bets must equal 0 this means once it has triggered and layed the first horse the next trigger cant back it again (as it now has more than 0 matched bets on that one) so it moves on to the next and so on till all within the range are layed
The rest is of it is exactly how you need it to be
It was set to trigger 5 times so it could lay up to 5 runners (you could of course add more)
By also using the condition i put in where the matched bets must equal 0 this means once it has triggered and layed the first horse the next trigger cant back it again (as it now has more than 0 matched bets on that one) so it moves on to the next and so on till all within the range are layed
Hi Dallas, I have run it now for a few races and I think having more than one qualifier is confusing my green up settings as they are conflicting mid race, so I am now just running it for the favourite.
It seems ok but whilst I have my loss set at £5, I lost nearly £12 on one race. I imagine it is down to the volatility of the market, especially as it was a 5 furlong sprint.
Is there anyway to make sure that the greatest loss is what I choose (£5), or closer to it?
On the hedge loss main rule I have it set to Trigger just 1 time and wait 3 seconds before rearming, is this correct if just having one selection?
Thanks again.
It seems ok but whilst I have my loss set at £5, I lost nearly £12 on one race. I imagine it is down to the volatility of the market, especially as it was a 5 furlong sprint.
Is there anyway to make sure that the greatest loss is what I choose (£5), or closer to it?
On the hedge loss main rule I have it set to Trigger just 1 time and wait 3 seconds before rearming, is this correct if just having one selection?
Thanks again.
How do you mean the green up is getting confused? it is currently set to green when the combined profits of all runners exceed the amount you have set, you can change this to look at each individual runner if you want and just close that if its loss exceeds X value.
The larger red is indeed down to race volatility and always much more in sprint races just as if you where trying to close out manually you would be clicking the mouse like mad trying to catch the price - so setting multiple triggers to the automation is the best you can do.
When doing any green up during IR I always advise and set mine to trigger at least 2-3 times (once its greened or redded it will stop anyway) but at least triggering multiple times will keep firing if it misses the price first time
There will always be certain situations (eg if you where backing in a Jumps race and the horse falls your will never be able to close and will always get a total loss either manually or via any automation as the odds go out to 1000 in one go).
The larger red is indeed down to race volatility and always much more in sprint races just as if you where trying to close out manually you would be clicking the mouse like mad trying to catch the price - so setting multiple triggers to the automation is the best you can do.
When doing any green up during IR I always advise and set mine to trigger at least 2-3 times (once its greened or redded it will stop anyway) but at least triggering multiple times will keep firing if it misses the price first time
There will always be certain situations (eg if you where backing in a Jumps race and the horse falls your will never be able to close and will always get a total loss either manually or via any automation as the odds go out to 1000 in one go).
I just thought that like if I laid two horses, if one is going well and the other isn't you don't get the benefit of the winning bet as the other one doing badly brings the total profit on the race down and this will lead to me greening up for the loss amount set, which is £5.
I believe the only way would be to have two accounts and two Bet Angels running so the trades do not conflict, what do you think about that?
Regards the trigger, I will change this to Trigger 5 times at 1 second intervals. Will this mean that it keeps trying to place the bet as close to the current odds, even if it is below my aim?
If this is the case would it not be better to Trigger a dozen times or more?
Thank you Dallas.
I believe the only way would be to have two accounts and two Bet Angels running so the trades do not conflict, what do you think about that?
Regards the trigger, I will change this to Trigger 5 times at 1 second intervals. Will this mean that it keeps trying to place the bet as close to the current odds, even if it is below my aim?
If this is the case would it not be better to Trigger a dozen times or more?
Thank you Dallas.
The green/red up will keep trying the best current odds but only if the value has still exceeded what you asked for so in your case it the price started to come in and you told it to close if loss exceeds -£5 this is what it will do even if it has to trigger multiple times to catch the price but if it kept missing then the horse drifts back out it will stop triggering (as you loss is now back under -£5) But will be there again if it goes back below -£5.
"I just thought that like if I laid two horses, if one is going well and the other isn't you don't get the benefit of the winning bet as the other one doing badly brings the total profit on the race down and this will lead to me greening up for the loss amount set, which is £5"
Even if you had two accounts you would end up with the same end scenario you would have one winning lay and one losing lay. So you can just as easily do the same using just the one account.
Whenever backing or laying multiple selections you just need to decide if its best that you green/red up based on the current total figure across the whole field or isolate each runner and close them individually if they run good (assuming you are laying)
"I just thought that like if I laid two horses, if one is going well and the other isn't you don't get the benefit of the winning bet as the other one doing badly brings the total profit on the race down and this will lead to me greening up for the loss amount set, which is £5"
Even if you had two accounts you would end up with the same end scenario you would have one winning lay and one losing lay. So you can just as easily do the same using just the one account.
Whenever backing or laying multiple selections you just need to decide if its best that you green/red up based on the current total figure across the whole field or isolate each runner and close them individually if they run good (assuming you are laying)
How do I set it to 'green/red up based on the current total figure across the whole field or isolate each runner and close them individually if they run good'
I want to have them separate but I can't see how you can do this with the same account. What part of the parameters or conditions would this be on? I am keen to get this part right please Dallas, thanks.
I want to have them separate but I can't see how you can do this with the same account. What part of the parameters or conditions would this be on? I am keen to get this part right please Dallas, thanks.
Its currently set to green when a combined loss is reached, this could be by one horse running very well or a combination of 2 or 3 running ok.forumuser wrote:How do I set it to 'green/red up based on the current total figure across the whole field or isolate each runner and close them individually if they run good'
I want to have them separate but I can't see how you can do this with the same account. What part of the parameters or conditions would this be on? I am keen to get this part right please Dallas, thanks.
To change to closing them individually if you highlight the rule type "Green all Selections" on the general tab and instead chose "close trade on selection with greening" from the dropdown menu.
Trigger 3 times / re-arm every 2 secs
Now instead of leaving this as ANY change this to
Applies to selection in Row 1 Betfair Index
No parameters are required
On the conditions page add the conditions
"Close Trade Profit Condition"
tick the greening box
is Less than -£3.00 (or what every you want)
Now back on the general page with this still highlighted click on the icon of two green arrows and this will duplicate this part of the rule, and in the new one go in and change the betfair row from 1 to 2 then click apply again
and repeat that untill you have made one for each row where your likely to be laying a horse (probably 10-15 rows should cover it) - dont worry it will only close the trade if you have backed a horse in that row it will ignore ones that have nt had a back bet in.
If you still get stuck i can try and quickly put one together for you to try on this afternoons races