Has anyone else noticed all the lurkers today. Fairhouse in particular, what a shambles, the handicapper needs to hide from the shame of it surely. It is very disappointing to watch races where a long odds horse effortlessly canters round and win with any amount in hand taking out heavily tipped favourites.
It's a shame as it kills horse racing as a serious sport and makes a complete mockery of the handicapping system.
I've been monitoring in-play movements to assess for a game adaptation... why don't they chip horses and make the data available online... just imagine.
thoughts?
Lurkers - what a con
In the Grand National last year you were able to monitor position / speed on an app. Wouldn't be surprised if trainers / owners secretly do it...Mr Undercover wrote:Has anyone else noticed all the lurkers today. Fairhouse in particular, what a shambles, the handicapper needs to hide from the shame of it surely. It is very disappointing to watch races where a long odds horse effortlessly canters round and win with any amount in hand taking out heavily tipped favourites.
It's a shame as it kills horse racing as a serious sport and makes a complete mockery of the handicapping system.
I've been monitoring in-play movements to assess for a game adaptation... why don't they chip horses and make the data available online... just imagine.
thoughts?
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andyfuller
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As in a lot of professional sports now you get GPS tracking on the human - can't see why the jockey can't carry a small GPS device and all the data be made available to the public.
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marksmeets302
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Many years ago (10?) you could buy a service where for selected races you could follow the position of the horses on your screen. Still trying to think of the name.
I tried it for a month or so. Not ever having been to a real horse race it was an eye opener to see how strategic the jockeys operated. My idea back then was to try to detect patterns and automate that. Unfortunately I had no idea how to start
There were quite a few venues supporting this technology. I'm quite surprised they apparently no longer do. (Equally surprised at realising I still haven't watched a live horse race!)
I tried it for a month or so. Not ever having been to a real horse race it was an eye opener to see how strategic the jockeys operated. My idea back then was to try to detect patterns and automate that. Unfortunately I had no idea how to start
There were quite a few venues supporting this technology. I'm quite surprised they apparently no longer do. (Equally surprised at realising I still haven't watched a live horse race!)
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Mr Undercover
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thanks for comments guys.
I'm pretty certain bha in conjunction with a few race courses have been experiementing with technology - in fact i've seen the software produced from one of the trials. It'll be a sea change for the industry when meaningful data is available against performance.
In my view, lower grade handicapping is corrupt which damages the image of the sport but data might change things for the positive.
From a pre-off traders perspective i now understand implicitly why in-play is so dangerous. If you happen to be trading the horse which has been 'predestined' to win shall we say, and accidentally slip in-play even by a split second (in-play) traders with connections will be waiting to pre-emptively pounce if the horse executes to plan from the off. You haven't got a chance. There was a good example of this today in the 3.40 @ Navan, Spader started at 9.7 but was so incorrectly weighted it made a completely mockery of the race. I can't for the life of me understand why these things aren't investigated, betfair have all the data but they aren't so avoid low grade in-play is my advance.. not that anyone needs it.
I'm pretty certain bha in conjunction with a few race courses have been experiementing with technology - in fact i've seen the software produced from one of the trials. It'll be a sea change for the industry when meaningful data is available against performance.
In my view, lower grade handicapping is corrupt which damages the image of the sport but data might change things for the positive.
From a pre-off traders perspective i now understand implicitly why in-play is so dangerous. If you happen to be trading the horse which has been 'predestined' to win shall we say, and accidentally slip in-play even by a split second (in-play) traders with connections will be waiting to pre-emptively pounce if the horse executes to plan from the off. You haven't got a chance. There was a good example of this today in the 3.40 @ Navan, Spader started at 9.7 but was so incorrectly weighted it made a completely mockery of the race. I can't for the life of me understand why these things aren't investigated, betfair have all the data but they aren't so avoid low grade in-play is my advance.. not that anyone needs it.