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gutuami
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anybody traded today. I've never seen so much money thrown in on the back side on at least 10 races and all lost.. amazing. Never thought I'd be impressed by this backer. If he's gambling why horse racing??? and why only backing???
But then if you are Betfair, and have a big back @SP order waiting, would you push the price in???
Very unusual for a Sunday
mick1512
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I was trading today and saw the big backer getting involved a number of times. I didn't watch many of the races so I didn't know they had all been beaten. Ouch!
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dan_payne182
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gutuami wrote:anybody traded today. I've never seen so much money thrown in on the back side on at least 10 races and all lost.. amazing. Never thought I'd be impressed by this backer. If he's gambling why horse racing??? and why only backing???
But then if you are Betfair, and have a big back @SP order waiting, would you push the price in???
Very unusual for a Sunday
ahaa yeah seen him loads. In all cases i was backing first though, so he helped me a great deal :lol:
andyfuller
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He didn't lose all races, he had around £60,000 on one winner but that was under 2-1 so won't have covered much of today's losses, he didn't have many others.

The layers were in clover today and are probably ordering the new Mercedes right now before buying the new house tomorrow!

That was the most aggressive I have seen him - god knows where the money kept coming from it seems he has bottomless pockets :!:
enzabella2009
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I was on back side seconds b4 he(BF) came in on most races . It was predictable and profitable. He (BF) kept pushing 20K in but, everytime there was opposition on the lay side he(BF) double clicked 20K 20k few ticks down. He made some substantiol profits, good that he (BF) does not mind to share sometimes. :D :D tx.
enzabella2009
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[quote="andyfuller"]He didn't lose all races, he had around £60,000 on one winner but that was under 2-1 so won't have covered much of today's losses, he didn't have many others.

I think he made a fortune today. :o :o
mulberryhawk
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Enzabella could you elaborate on why you think this activity in the market would be betfair?
andyfuller
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I must have been watching different markets and racing to you today enzabella2009 - he was losing left right and centre on the markets I was trading and races I was watching.

I would love to hear why you think it is Betfair as well :!: :?:
andyfuller
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enzabella2009 wrote:I think he made a fortune today. :o :o
Does that include the £40,000 he lumped on the 2nd placed horse in the 2 runner race when it was already beat with the jockey accepting it and the winner was lengths clear and trading sub 1.10 yet he was taking 2.24ish about the 2nd :lol:
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rhysmr2
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The backer seems to be about today, this person seems to back from £7500 to £20000 on most races. That's just on the fav that I'm mostly watching.

There seems to be some big money kicking about today! some big movers as well. I like it :)
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rhysmr2
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I've also noticed the market does seem to be absorbing his massive stakes today, sometimes really fast.
enzabella2009
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BF stand for BIGF***er. :lol: :lol: :lol: You only see his 20K coming in but, you dont realise that he place also sereval bets within seconds under 1K, all matched on back and lay side. It seems to be a bettingbot that works half manually half in automation that trigger some seires of numbers instantaneously converted in numbers of bets and ammount of money needed to be place in the queue as soon he come in with his large stakes. Unfortunaly I can`t work out what series of numbers is using because some of the money get mixed up with other gamblers or traders but, as he is too fast to be just a human hand I am confidente he managed to build a very sophisticated betting bot. ALLthough I have to clarify that is all based on some theorys disgussed between me and my collegues in our workplace in the statistic department of florence. no having work out the series of numbers we are missing the real evedince of it. I hope i did explained correctly.. :idea: :idea:
andyfuller
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You are seeing a lot of things I am missing.

I think it is just someone backing the horses and nothing more complicated tbh. As for being to fast to be a human I can't have that - they seem quite slow to me.

I don't see how when they go inplay fits in with your theory either?
andyfuller
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enzabella2009 wrote:You only see his 20K coming in but, you dont realise that he place also sereval bets within seconds under 1K, all matched on back and lay side.
Also I have seen multiple times when he has come and there have been next to no money or orders in front of him and next to nothing being matched on the horse.

This is often the case when he comes for horses away from the favourite and especially on Irish races where the market is near dead. Also on the occasions when he comes a long time before the off.

Of course they may not all be the same person but I think the chances that all of a sudden we see several people all of a sudden chucking in over £20,000 and dropping until they are matched is very very minimal.

Think you need to give Charlie Epps a call :lol:
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mctash
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Is that a Numb3rs reference? I just started watching the first series :)
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