Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[greenmark]

I wasn't wrong about farage's comments about immigration being a lie. He deliberately quoted immigration figures not nett migration. Bring economical with the truth is a lie in my book. We could accept 10million immigrants if 9.9 million leave.
But in any case if we choose who we let in what's the problem. Do you have no confidence in our immigration processes? Those administered by the Tories for 14 years.Your "jibe" about 32 years of waiting for leavers is ridiculous. The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK and Thatcher agreed.
Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

Farage uses immigration stats as a dog whistle to racists. Similarly his response to the Southport stabbing, when he started peddling conspiracy theories.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

That said, at least he appears to be making a serious attempt to expel overt racists from his party & acknowledges it is an issue.

It does highlight one thing though if your assumptions are correct being many millions of hold a racist view in England and not much the establishment or Police can do about it.

The irony being that most racists won't admit to it. So they lurk out of sight of the authorities most of the time. I don't get rcism at all. Worked and socialised with so many nationalities and cultures and my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

[sionascaig]

Farage uses immigration stats as a dog whistle to racists. Similarly his response to the Southport stabbing, when he started peddling conspiracy theories.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

That said, at least he appears to be making a serious attempt to expel overt racists from his party & acknowledges it is an issue.

It does highlight one thing though if your assumptions are correct being many millions of hold a racist view in England and not much the establishment or Police can do about it.

The irony being that most racists won't admit to it. So they lurk out of sight of the authorities most of the time. I don't get rcism at all. Worked and socialised with so many nationalities and cultures and my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

Yup. I have a few "English" friends who say they experience overt racism in Scotland.

Some folk just seem to need something to hate whether it be religion, colour of your skin, ethnicity or football team...

I went to a Pat Bonner memorial match a long time a go (don't go to many football games) and was stunned at the "hate" on display at what was supposed to be a celebratory match!

[greenmark]

It does highlight one thing though if your assumptions are correct being many millions of hold a racist view in England and not much the establishment or Police can do about it.

The irony being that most racists won't admit to it. So they lurk out of sight of the authorities most of the time. I don't get rcism at all. Worked and socialised with so many nationalities and cultures and my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

Yup. I have a few "English" friends who say they experience overt racism in Scotland.

Some folk just seem to need something to hate whether it be religion, colour of your skin, ethnicity or football team...

I went to a Pat Bonner memorial match a long time a go (don't go to many football games) and was stunned at the "hate" on display at what was supposed to be a celebratory match!

I'm in Scotland 3 times a year for 10 days and have not experienced any anti-english sentiment. I did go to a couple of Hibs games and the ferocity particularly against Rangers was mostly hot air but you wouldn't want to be next to some of those guys. So mostly Scots reserve their ire for other Scots. Maybe I've been lucky but over 30 years now and I still like Scots.

[firlandsfarm]

I wasn't wrong about farage's comments about immigration being a lie. He deliberately quoted immigration figures not nett migration. Bring economical with the truth is a lie in my book. We could accept 10million immigrants if 9.9 million leave.
But in any case if we choose who we let in what's the problem. Do you have no confidence in our immigration processes? Those administered by the Tories for 14 years.Your "jibe" about 32 years of waiting for leavers is ridiculous. The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK and Thatcher agreed.
Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

So to misquote someone and accuse them of lying based on that misquote is totally acceptable in your mind and where was he economical with the truth, the truth is plain and clear ... some 2.50 million immigrants came to the UK in 2022/2023 as he said. It is you who is being economical with the truth by misquoting him and then accusing him of lying. You have just defined yourself as a liar! Anyway, enough, I can't have a sensible debate with someone who so lives in denial of the truth.

[Kai]

So to misquote someone and accuse them of lying based on that misquote is totally acceptable in your mind and where was he economical with the truth, the truth is plain and clear ... some 2.50 million immigrants came to the UK in 2022/2023 as he said.

Excuses

It is you who is being economical with the truth by misquoting him and then accusing him of lying. You have just defined yourself as a liar!

Excuses

Anyway, enough, I can't have a sensible debate with someone who so lives in denial of the truth.

Excuses

[greenmark]

I wasn't wrong about farage's comments about immigration being a lie. He deliberately quoted immigration figures not nett migration. Bring economical with the truth is a lie in my book. We could accept 10million immigrants if 9.9 million leave.
But in any case if we choose who we let in what's the problem. Do you have no confidence in our immigration processes? Those administered by the Tories for 14 years.Your "jibe" about 32 years of waiting for leavers is ridiculous. The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK and Thatcher agreed.
Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

So to misquote someone and accuse them of lying based on that misquote is totally acceptable in your mind and where was he economical with the truth, the truth is plain and clear ... some 2.50 million immigrants came to the UK in 2022/2023 as he said. It is you who is being economical with the truth by misquoting him and then accusing him of lying. You have just defined yourself as a liar! Anyway, enough, I can't have a sensible debate with someone who so lives in denial of the truth.

You know you're supporting a liar. I'm shocked. 2.5 million immigrants is not the complete picture. 1.449 million over two years is the nett migration. Farage knows what he is saying. As I said - economical with the truth. And deliberately to stoke xenophobic sentiment. I don't care that 750,000 have entered the uk per annum.
EU migration to the UK has been replaced by non-EU migration. So what was the flipping point of all that brexit BS?
But I welcome all immigrants. The more the better. Culture and society benefits from different views. Look at our history. Not easy at all. But richer for the "immigrants" for sure.

[greenmark]

I wasn't wrong about farage's comments about immigration being a lie. He deliberately quoted immigration figures not nett migration. Bring economical with the truth is a lie in my book. We could accept 10million immigrants if 9.9 million leave.
But in any case if we choose who we let in what's the problem. Do you have no confidence in our immigration processes? Those administered by the Tories for 14 years.Your "jibe" about 32 years of waiting for leavers is ridiculous. The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK and Thatcher agreed.
Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

So to misquote someone and accuse them of lying based on that misquote is totally acceptable in your mind and where was he economical with the truth, the truth is plain and clear ... some 2.50 million immigrants came to the UK in 2022/2023 as he said. It is you who is being economical with the truth by misquoting him and then accusing him of lying. You have just defined yourself as a liar! Anyway, enough, I can't have a sensible debate with someone who so lives in denial of the truth.

You also failed to answer my question - Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

[ForFolksSake]

I wasn't wrong about farage's comments about immigration being a lie. He deliberately quoted immigration figures not nett migration. Bring economical with the truth is a lie in my book. We could accept 10million immigrants if 9.9 million leave.
But in any case if we choose who we let in what's the problem. Do you have no confidence in our immigration processes? Those administered by the Tories for 14 years.Your "jibe" about 32 years of waiting for leavers is ridiculous. The EU is the best thing that ever happened to the UK and Thatcher agreed.
Present a single stat that supports Brexit is a good idea. Where did that 350 million a week promised by Leavers for the NHS go?

So to misquote someone and accuse them of lying based on that misquote is totally acceptable in your mind and where was he economical with the truth, the truth is plain and clear ... some 2.50 million immigrants came to the UK in 2022/2023 as he said. It is you who is being economical with the truth by misquoting him and then accusing him of lying. You have just defined yourself as a liar! Anyway, enough, I can't have a sensible debate with someone who so lives in denial of the truth.

But I welcome all immigrants. The more the better. .

Nigel Farage admits mass deportations aren’t his ‘ambition’ as he offers ‘dead simple’ solution

"The only way you're ever going to solve the Channel is if they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route, and number two, that they're not going to stay. It's dead simple."

Tories are history, Labour will be soon

[sionascaig]

"The only way you're ever going to solve the Channel is if they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route, and number two, that they're not going to stay. It's dead simple."

And that will be the solution of removing Human Rights from over 50 million folk in order to stop a few thousand folk arriving on boats?

Genius..

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

[greenmark]

"The only way you're ever going to solve the Channel is if they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route, and number two, that they're not going to stay. It's dead simple."

And that will be the solution of removing Human Rights from over 50 million folk in order to stop a few thousand folk arriving on boats?

Genius..

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Thankyou. It's a tough agenda with so many against. But I think that statement is honest and correct.

[ForFolksSake]

"The only way you're ever going to solve the Channel is if they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route, and number two, that they're not going to stay. It's dead simple."

Genius..

Glad you agree

[ForFolksSake]

"The only way you're ever going to solve the Channel is if they know that, number one, they'll never be granted refugee status by coming via this route, and number two, that they're not going to stay. It's dead simple."

Genius..

Glad you agree

sionascaig wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:33 pm

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Many believe that international human rights law is one of our greatest moral achievements. But there is little evidence that it is effective. A radically different approach is long overdue

[Michael5482]

Jesus wept decent game of football on to trade and people banging on about human rights

Anyway when human rights give the same rights to that of a paedophile, a rapist or a murderer as they do the victim then there's clear something very wrong with them. Just needs a line in adding saying it doesn't apply to criminals and they give up their human rights when they decide to break the law.

The can earn their human rights back once they have been rehabilitated, that's their choice.

[sionascaig]

Genius..

Glad you agree

sionascaig wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:33 pm

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Many believe that international human rights law is one of our greatest moral achievements.

Glad you agree

(I can edit your posts to change the meaning as well, although it is moronic)

[ForFolksSake]

Glad you agree

sionascaig wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:33 pm

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Many believe that international human rights law is one of our greatest moral achievements.

Glad you agree

(I can edit your posts to change the meaning as well, although it is moronic)

sionascaig wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:33 pm

"Human rights include the right to life and liberty, freedom from slavery and torture, freedom of opinion and expression, the right to work and education, and many more. Everyone is entitled to these rights, without discrimination."

Totally agree with you

But there is little evidence that it is effective. A radically different approach is long overdue

It's also a Human right to control 'illegal immigration '