Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[sionascaig]

He will be too busy:

- fixing Brexit
- tearing down the NHS...
- repealing racism & discrimination legislation
- removing UK from international treaties that give us basic human rights
- overseeing the breakup of the UK

Oh dear, and congratulations ... that must be the most unsubstantiated rant I've seen in this forum! Perhaps the only one with credibility is "fixing Brexit". Other than that where has he said he would be "repealing racism & discrimination legislation"? I'm surprised you don't seem to understand that removing us from the laws of others does not mean you remove the rights. And finally where has he said he wants the break-up of the UK? Me for one I would be happy for the Scots to go and watch them flounder in their own over evaluated belief of themselves. If it wasn't for English money they would be struggling all the way to the IMF begging for a big donation.

Oh dear this is getting really tiresome..

Fixing Brexit:
He said the Tories made a mess of implementation so I think it reasonable to assume he would fix & deliver the land of milk & honey he promised. Expectation: Utter failure

Tearing down the NHS
"Nigel Farage has openly said he wants to scrap the NHS and replace it with an insurance-based system."

"Reform have said it is unlikely to scrap the NHS and replace it with an insurance-based system."

Make of that what you will, I give not a jot.

Repealing racism & discrimination legislation
"UKIP would scrap much of the legislation designed to prevent racial discrimination in work, party leader Nigel Farage has said."

"Nigel Farage the libertarian is back. Or at least that is one way of reading it. Race discrimination laws are no longer needed he says. It is a state intervention that time has made redundant."

"Nigel Farage has vowed to scrap the UK’s human rights law in a bid to tackle the small boats crisis."

"The Reform UK leader pledged to leave the European Convention on Human Rights, scrap the Human Rights Act, and disapply other international agreements he described as “roadblocks” to deporting people who arrive in the UK illegally."

==> you don't seem to understand that disapplying rights enshrined means we will not necessarily retain them

Overseeing the breakup of the UK

It is my view that Farage becoming PM will be the start of the breakup of the UK. I never said he said it, but I expect he will have to deal with it.

I have tried to engage reasonably with you, but come to the realisation it isn't worth the effort.

[firlandsfarm]

Oh dear this is getting really tiresome..

... etc., etc., etc.

I have tried to engage reasonably with you, but come to the realisation it isn't worth the effort.

Clearly you are a Farage hater regardless and whatever he says or does will never change your opinion. So this is getting really tiresome. I have tried to engage reasonably with you, but come to the realisation it isn't worth the effort!

[Euler]

I always think it's interesting how polarised politics has become and the debate around it.

If the red corner, politicians that think they know best, that everybody should the same, that enterprise is a scourge that needs wiping out and impetus is to tax and spend and sod the consequences. People should do as they are instructed and big state.

In the blue corner, big state is bad and spending should be slashed, give people the decision to do what they want, reduce government. Enterprise is good, take power away from Westminster. etc.

BTW, both these summaries are truncated, generally, wrong and don't reflect either correctly.

In reality somewhere it between is correct. But it seems everybody is about as far apart as possible right now.

Since Covid spending has skyrocketed, instead of falling back to prior spend. So there is a massive problem problem here which needs to be addressed. If you raise taxes to fix it, you kill the economy, if you slash spending you upset voters. But a bit of both has to be done.

Maybe raise fuel tax as that had the dual effect of being environmentally acceptable and most people wouldn't really notice pennies here and there.

Unlawful immigration is a massive problem and needs to be dealt with. It's cringy how we are just letting people float ac on a boat and doing nothing about it. Clearly taking the piss.

Lawful immigration is fine and needed.

I really think Starmer is being super cynical by asking for ID cards and saying it will stop illegals immigration. Labour have been trying to push ID cards for ages and this is an attempt to leverage current debate and problems to shoehorn this in.

At the end of the day, you enter a country with a passport, if you don't have one, you don't enter. Fairly simple solution.

But the debate will rage on.

What people need are discussion points and solutions, but all the politicians (from all sides) give is rhetoric. I'm saddened by this.