Why does this happen to me, this is more than once

[dt888]

Once you click green up BA will calculate the bet size needed to green up at the current price

BUT that bet then has to go in holding and wait for the delay

If the odds move before that delay is finished the bet will still fire for the same amount BUT at the best price after the delay is finished

Once a bet has been placed and is waiting for the delay to finish you cant cancel that bet, change the amount or anything

There is nothing that can be done about it

That is the idea of the delay

So no fault with BA. It will always do what you tell it to do. Its best to fully understand what you are telling it to do before telling it to do anything

[Crazyskier]

Once you click green up BA will calculate the bet size needed to green up at the current price

BUT that bet then has to go in holding and wait for the delay

If the odds move before that delay is finished the bet will still fire for the same amount BUT at the best price after the delay is finished

Once a bet has been placed and is waiting for the delay to finish you cant cancel that bet, change the amount or anything

There is nothing that can be done about it

That is the idea of the delay

So no fault with BA. It will always do what you tell it to do. Its best to fully understand what you are telling it to do before telling it to do anything

Indeed, it's just a shame that it won't use the same algorithm as other platforms that guarantee 100% never to increase liability, irrespective of IP delays and number of clicks and odds movement.

[cybernet69]

Ofcourse your liability can increase beyond the initial £4. It depends what happens in the market after you hit the green-up button. BA is no different to other software that interacts with the BF servers. I have had this happen to me using FB aswell leading to a massive liability and loss overall.

BF may well have a special system in place to prevent this from happening in their browser software but I doubt it is something they would be willing to share.

[Euler]

I don't know how you can stop it as Bet Angel can only take the price at the split moment you hit it. If that's in the latter stages of a short race the price could be anything.

Horses run at 40mph so 1s delay is probably quite a few yards, then add on the tv delay. You could be miles out and if you click another time while waiting for the position to reach the market you get a double order.

I can't think of an easy way around it.

[dt888]

I dont think there is a way around it

Once the bet is placed how can BA know what is going to happen to the odds while it is waiting for the delay

Crazyskier are you sure that when these instances have happened to you, you wernt just happening to be using BA, so are blaming BA, but in actually would have been the same outcome regardless of which platform you were using? And that when you have been using other software you have just been lucky that these situations havnt occured?

[andyrich666]

The opposite has happened as well where it comes up with a message saying it can't place this bet because your account has no funds left to green up so your again left with a red, but because this is the second time this has happened to me that I have posted here (it has happened others also) , I think within my first 5 posts I had posted exactly the same situation but that time it was about £400+, from that day on I have kept the bank low because the higher the bank the higher the red in this situation. You could wipe your bank in seconds.

I will admit there has been times it has favoured me, but you should never lose more than the red of your stake, never.

[dt888]

If it comes up saying you havent got enough funds to close your trade when you hit the green up button, the thing to do in this situation is manually close out using very small stakes and repeat this until there are enough funds to finally hit the green up button to do the last bit for you

[Thebest147]

Hi there,why not try and find a way to exploit this,

Now I am always chatting with Dallas and thanks to his help I am now at last, a profitable trader, all on auto,

I have a thought that might help you,
set up automation check average time off 5 furlong races on the courses that are racing today
then here comes the interesting bit when BACK PRICE on fav is under 1.15 for an example then OFFER A PRICE IN THE MARKET at say 6.2,if it goes on to win then no harm done as you wont be matched, if some silly person hits the hedge button and your the only one at 6.2 then you have backed a horse that should be 1.15 and you backed it at 6.2 it is not that simple but food for thought,,
oh I should also point out dont miss a trick and just select short races. a lot of 3 milers have just as many trading under evens

regards

oliver

[weemac]

With BA, when you hit green-up, does the software cancel pre-existing bets? I remember getting very frustrated when I subscribed to BA recently that it left pre-existing bets sitting in the market when I attempted to green/red up instead of cancelling everything and re-calculating.

[cybernet69]

With BA, when you hit green-up, does the software cancel pre-existing bets? I remember getting very frustrated when I subscribed to BA recently that it left pre-existing bets sitting in the market when I attempted to green/red up instead of cancelling everything and re-calculating.

Yes, if you set it to-do this in the options.

However, this could open up a can of worms as I don't know if it waits to see if pre-existing orders are cancelled before issuing the greening up trades. In a lightening fast market with the bet delay then I am not sure how this would work with any type of accuracy etc.

[andyrich666]

Hi there,why not try and find a way to exploit this,

Now I am always chatting with Dallas and thanks to his help I am now at last, a profitable trader, all on auto,

I have a thought that might help you,
set up automation check average time off 5 furlong races on the courses that are racing today
then here comes the interesting bit when BACK PRICE on fav is under 1.15 for an example then OFFER A PRICE IN THE MARKET at say 6.2,if it goes on to win then no harm done as you wont be matched, if some silly person hits the hedge button and your the only one at 6.2 then you have backed a horse that should be 1.15 and you backed it at 6.2 it is not that simple but food for thought,,
oh I should also point out dont miss a trick and just select short races. a lot of 3 milers have just as many trading under evens

regards

oliver

That is a interesting point, I am struggling to understand the usage of the automation, for example there is a automation thatallows a green up at a certain point, why can this not just be built into the software, why not have a box at the bottom of the trade profit area where you can put in a fixed amount to trade for, can it be that difficult to implement, that would then take away all of these issues.

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Yes BA wipes all unmatched lays on a green up.

[andyrich666]

here we go again, I am seriously pissed off now

I trade when on this, green £180 but photo is £105 and winner is my pick and I am £75 red

then
An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
and

cant place bet cos of exposure

This happened twice today to me twice.............. I am good at what I do I have 984 profit this week, and now I lose £1500 in one day and not ony that this is the 5th time this happen

I am so angry

3rd party software needs to stop this, I smash my laptop to pieces because of this...
in the 3rd picture

Sort this problem out,

[Dallas]

Do you want to post the log and screen shot of your matched bets page so we can see what has happened?

[andyrich666]

The other guy that had this issue has been removed,


26/01/2017 20:10:03: £ 50.00 Back bet placed on Burnside at 2.52. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 84252185285
26/01/2017 20:10:06: Modify bet 84252185285 from 50 @ 2.52 to 50 @ 2.5 New Ref: 84252187952
26/01/2017 20:15:01: Cancelling bets 84252143377
26/01/2017 20:15:09: Placed closure bet on Anton Dolin by Laying 80.00 at 11
26/01/2017 20:15:12: Modify bet persistence 84252375387 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

26/01/2017 20:25:51: £ 25.00 Back bet placed on Hallstatt at 7.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 84252802417
26/01/2017 20:26:00: Modify bet 84252802417 from 25 @ 7.6 to 25 @ 7.4 New Ref: 84252808872
26/01/2017 20:26:01: Modify bet 84252808872 from 25 @ 7.4 to 25 @ 7.2 New Ref: 84252809318
26/01/2017 20:26:12: Placed closure bet on Burnside by Laying 96.90 at 1.29
26/01/2017 20:26:24: Placed closure bet on Hallstatt by Laying 100.56 at 1.79
26/01/2017 20:26:26: Modify bet persistence 84252820051 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'
26/01/2017 20:26:26: Modify bet persistence 84252830265 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

26/01/2017 20:31:43: Market has been suspended
26/01/2017 20:31:44: Market is in-play
26/01/2017 20:31:45: Market has been unsuspended
26/01/2017 20:34:26: Cancelling bets 84252375387 84252820051
26/01/2017 20:34:27: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:28: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: Market has been suspended
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The bet has already been taken or lapsed.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:54: An error occurred while Greenin

[ShaunWhite]

Because of the in-play delays on all sports then what you are seeing on your screen is often not a true reflection of reality.

It is a true reflection of reality, but reality as it was. (obv I'm just being sarky)

What delay have you got on your TV pictures Andy?

If you're watching ATR, mine is 13s behind tonight (see below), add to that the 1s Betfair delay and you're over a furlong behind what's happening. As LeTiss said...you are setting yourself up for a heap of trouble with IP sprints. He's been on here for 7yrs and knows his stuff, so I'd heed that advice. BA is great and doing it's best, but it can't break the rules of space & time for you.